Gm's new saying: Live Green, Go Yellow

[MikeMike]

what do you guys think of it? do you feel its a good thing to talk about, or do you feel that there is a better thing they could be advertising. it is something unique to them.

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/energy_flexfuel.html

 

[Penth]

I think it's good but they need to get the infrastructure to fuel them setup. I wouldn't want to pay a premium to have the option to run on vegetable oil if I can't find anywhere to fill up and have to use regular gasoline instead.

 

[ironcrotch]

I think it's a good step. I'm still not going to buy a GM car though.

 

[everman]

I really don't think many people care much about "live green", unless it means spending less green at the pump. Their marketing dept didn't get the memo.

 

[dugweb]

😕 Hmm, interesting.

but aren't there like a million reasons that bio fuel isn't going to catch on? Like it takes more fuel to produce than what you recieve from it... and also if we used all the crops in the country that we could and devoted it entirely to fuel it would only fuel the country's cars for about a week.

I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing something to that effect

 

[Penth]

I think it's good but they need to get the infrastructure to fuel them setup. I wouldn't want to pay a premium to have the option to run on vegetable oil if I can't find anywhere to fill up and have to use regular gasoline instead.

 

[Ladies Man]

Doesn't it still require more energy to make E85 than we get out of it? Therefore making it worse than regular gasoline?

 

[OrganizedChaos]

waht this advertising says to me "the cost of this vehicle includes research,development, and features that you can't take advantage"

 

[SampSon]

E85 isn't the answer, unless you're a farmer looking for more government money.

 

[Howard]

http://www.ethanol-gec.org/corn_eth.htm#concl

Although I believe there are other plants that are more efficient than corn... In any case, we should be focusing on biodiesel instead.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: SampSon
E85 isn't the answer, unless you're a farmer looking for more government money.

BINGO....the funny thing is we should be using sugar cane for such fuel as it's yield is much greater per acre and and it takes less energy input but there is a thing called the Corn lobby......

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: SampSon
E85 isn't the answer, unless you're a farmer looking for more government money.

BINGO....the funny thing is we should be using sugar cane for such fuel as it's yield is much greater per acre and and it takes less energy input but there is a thing called the Corn lobby......

there is also synthetic Ethanol which i have read about, and was in an article i posted here earlier.

 

[MixMasterTang]

There is only 1 gas station within 15 miles of my house (and it's about 14.9 miles away) that sells E85, and they charge 15 cents more for E85 than the local gas station charges for regular. When there's one closer to my house that sells it for cheaper then maybe I'll use it.

 

[LeadMagnet]

For the last 20 years in Brazil all cars must be able to burn 3 differnt fuels - Now 70% of the fuel is bio-disel made from corn.

 

[Aquila76]

The other turn off to this (for me anyway) is that outside of the Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo, all the other E85 vehicle are monster SUV/Trucks. Maybe if they start making vehicles people want and putting these technologies into them, it'll take off - like Toyota's hybrid engine available in many of their vehicles.

From the website:

The vehicles:

* 2006 Chevy Avalanche
* 2006 Chevy Monte Carlo
* 2006 Chevy Tahoe
* 2006 Chevy Silverado
* 2006 Chevy Suburban
* 2006 Chevy Impala
* 2006 GMC Yukon
* 2006 GMC Yukon XL
* 2006 GMC Sierra
* 2007 Chevy Tahoe
* 2007 Chevy Avalanche
* 2007 GMC Yukon

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Aquila76
The other turn off to this (for me anyway) is that outside of the Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo, all the other E85 vehicle are monster SUV/Trucks. Maybe if they start making vehicles people want and putting these technologies into them, it'll take off - like Toyota's hybrid engine available in many of their vehicles.

From the website:

The vehicles:

* 2006 Chevy Avalanche
* 2006 Chevy Monte Carlo
* 2006 Chevy Tahoe
* 2006 Chevy Silverado
* 2006 Chevy Suburban
* 2006 Chevy Impala
* 2006 GMC Yukon
* 2006 GMC Yukon XL
* 2006 GMC Sierra
* 2007 Chevy Tahoe
* 2007 Chevy Avalanche
* 2007 GMC Yukon

Silverado is a huge seller, Impala, Monte Carlo.

the Suburban/Yukon XL have no competition nor do the avalanche.

the Tahoe and what not are still huge sellers.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: dugweb
😕 Hmm, interesting.

but aren't there like a million reasons that bio fuel isn't going to catch on? Like it takes more fuel to produce than what you recieve from it... and also if we used all the crops in the country that we could and devoted it entirely to fuel it would only fuel the country's cars for about a week.

I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing something to that effect

See Brazil. They're already doing it. Granted their climate makes it easier for them, but maybe we could revive Hawaii's sugarcane industry. 🙂 Or take over a few tropical countries.

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/34851/story.htm

Brazil has the world's most developed biofuels market in the world. Today 30,000 filling stations across the country sell ethanol fuel distilled from sugar cane.

The fuel substitutes for 204,000 barrels of gasoline equivalent a day, or roughly 41 percent of all gasoline sold nationally, which also includes a 20 to 25 percent ethanol blend. Seven out of every 10 new cars in Brazil are now flex-fuel vehicles which can run on gasoline or ethanol or any mixture of the two.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06012/637006.stm

At current prices, Brazil can make ethanol for about $1 a gallon, according to the World Bank. That compares with the international price of gasoline of about $1.50 a gallon. Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. As a result, ethanol now accounts for as much as 20 percent of Brazil's transport fuel market. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s. The use of alternative fuels in the rest of the world is a scant 1 percent.

And the money stays in Brazil, it doesn't go to the middle east.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

what do you guys think of it? do you feel its a good thing to talk about, or do you feel that there is a better thing they could be advertising. it is something unique to them.

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/energy_flexfuel.html

click on "get stuff" and get a t-shirt relevant to topic.

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/livegreengoyellow/index.html

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

what do you guys think of it? do you feel its a good thing to talk about, or do you feel that there is a better thing they could be advertising. it is something unique to them.

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/energy_flexfuel.html

click on "get stuff" and get a t-shirt relevant to topic.

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/livegreengoyellow/index.html

Thanks, I'll have to use it for target practice.

The thing is, we have E85 stations in the area, and the cost is only $.15 - $.20 lower than regular fuel. They are making a ton of money on it, and most people who buy it shouldn't even be using it in their cars.

 

[Ime]

When I listened to the commercial and heard the slogan "Live green, go yellow". I took that to mean that GM was giving up and telling us to all buy Toyota and Honda hybrid's. 😀

 

[MixMasterTang]

Anyone know if there are any websites that track the price of E85 at the different gas stations. I am interested to see what it sells for in other areas.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: MixMasterTang
Anyone know if there are any websites that track the price of E85 at the different gas stations. I am interested to see what it sells for in other areas.

if you have free long distance, you could click on the "locate" button and then call them... but in todays day and age, i think thats to much work.

 

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Aquila76
The other turn off to this (for me anyway) is that outside of the Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo, all the other E85 vehicle are monster SUV/Trucks. Maybe if they start making vehicles people want and putting these technologies into them, it'll take off - like Toyota's hybrid engine available in many of their vehicles.

From the website:

The vehicles:

* 2006 Chevy Avalanche
* 2006 Chevy Monte Carlo
* 2006 Chevy Tahoe
* 2006 Chevy Silverado
* 2006 Chevy Suburban
* 2006 Chevy Impala
* 2006 GMC Yukon
* 2006 GMC Yukon XL
* 2006 GMC Sierra
* 2007 Chevy Tahoe
* 2007 Chevy Avalanche
* 2007 GMC Yukon

Silverado is a huge seller, Impala, Monte Carlo.

the Suburban/Yukon XL have no competition nor do the avalanche.

the Tahoe and what not are still huge sellers.

I understand that the trucks/SUVs are huge sellers in their respective categories, but for us city-folk those vehicles are impractical at best. I'd much rather have a hybrid Civic or Camry sized car.
It would also help if the costs of the E85 were brought closer to manufacturer's cost. It sounds like they are raping us on the consumer pricing of that fuel, especially considering the poorer MPG.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Aquila76

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Aquila76
The other turn off to this (for me anyway) is that outside of the Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo, all the other E85 vehicle are monster SUV/Trucks. Maybe if they start making vehicles people want and putting these technologies into them, it'll take off - like Toyota's hybrid engine available in many of their vehicles.

From the website:

The vehicles:

* 2006 Chevy Avalanche
* 2006 Chevy Monte Carlo
* 2006 Chevy Tahoe
* 2006 Chevy Silverado
* 2006 Chevy Suburban
* 2006 Chevy Impala
* 2006 GMC Yukon
* 2006 GMC Yukon XL
* 2006 GMC Sierra
* 2007 Chevy Tahoe
* 2007 Chevy Avalanche
* 2007 GMC Yukon

Silverado is a huge seller, Impala, Monte Carlo.

the Suburban/Yukon XL have no competition nor do the avalanche.

the Tahoe and what not are still huge sellers.

I understand that the trucks/SUVs are huge sellers in their respective categories, but for us city-folk those vehicles are impractical at best. I'd much rather have a hybrid Civic or Camry sized car.
It would also help if the costs of the E85 were brought closer to manufacturer's cost. It sounds like they are raping us on the consumer pricing of that fuel, especially considering the poorer MPG.

but the purpose of what most people say Hybrids are, are to create less toxic emissions, and lesser dependence upon foreign oil. which is exactly what E85 does

 

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Aquila76

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Silverado is a huge seller, Impala, Monte Carlo.

the Suburban/Yukon XL have no competition nor do the avalanche.

the Tahoe and what not are still huge sellers.

I understand that the trucks/SUVs are huge sellers in their respective categories, but for us city-folk those vehicles are impractical at best. I'd much rather have a hybrid Civic or Camry sized car.
It would also help if the costs of the E85 were brought closer to manufacturer's cost. It sounds like they are raping us on the consumer pricing of that fuel, especially considering the poorer MPG.

but the purpose of what most people say Hybrids are, are to create less toxic emissions, and lesser dependence upon foreign oil. which is exactly what E85 does

I think I worded that poorly. I meant that I'd like to see this tech used in an equivalent car the size of a Civic or Camry. Something like an E85 version of a G6 or Grand Prix.