Gmail is Creepy?

TheWart

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That guy is a wacko....

Check out this site, then read his.

http://www.google-watch-watch.org/

People, web email is *never* going to be secure, and no, Google does not read your dang email. Read thier privacy agreement...Heck, how do you think Yahoo and Hotmail spam filters work? It 'reads' your email just as much as Gmail's targeted ads.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: TheWart
That guy is a wacko....

Check out this site, then read his.

http://www.google-watch-watch.org/

People, web email is *never* going to be secure, and no, Google does not read your dang email. Read thier privacy agreement...Heck, how do you think Yahoo and Hotmail spam filters work? It 'reads' your email just as much as Gmail's targeted ads.

It's the not the reading of e-mails that bothers people its the fact that they are ARCHIVING all e-mails that pass through their servers whether deleted or not.
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
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Yay(!), yet more crap about a service YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE.
Who cares, you have free choice, you are not forced to use GMail.
 

SP33Demon

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Ok someone tell me why I give a dam about ads in my email? I don't even look at hotmail's flashy ads, let alone Gmail's hard to notice ads.

Edit: let them archive my email, I only use it for business anyway. If you use it for personal use, then you choose to have your emails archived. I don't think it's that big of a deal.
 

TheWart

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: TheWart
That guy is a wacko....

Check out this site, then read his.

http://www.google-watch-watch.org/

People, web email is *never* going to be secure, and no, Google does not read your dang email. Read thier privacy agreement...Heck, how do you think Yahoo and Hotmail spam filters work? It 'reads' your email just as much as Gmail's targeted ads.

It's the not the reading of e-mails that bothers people its the fact that they are ARCHIVING all e-mails that pass through their servers whether deleted or not.

But see, the thing is, most other email services probably have the same problem. Google is just admitting it up front instead of being sneaky. And it is only because they use a certain type of filesystem that has like 32k (or something like that) cluster size, so it is impossible to technically erase everything without making it a big hassle.
 

Atomicus

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May 20, 2004
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The site's info is outdated. "which is more than 100 times the storage offered by Yahoo or Hotmail"
 

Rookie

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No gmail for me... I have unlimited storage with my domain... gmail is just too creepy. Even BEFORE I read that!
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: TheWart
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: TheWart
That guy is a wacko....

Check out this site, then read his.

http://www.google-watch-watch.org/

People, web email is *never* going to be secure, and no, Google does not read your dang email. Read thier privacy agreement...Heck, how do you think Yahoo and Hotmail spam filters work? It 'reads' your email just as much as Gmail's targeted ads.

It's the not the reading of e-mails that bothers people its the fact that they are ARCHIVING all e-mails that pass through their servers whether deleted or not.

But see, the thing is, most other email services probably have the same problem. Google is just admitting it up front instead of being sneaky. And it is only because they use a certain type of filesystem that has like 32k (or something like that) cluster size, so it is impossible to technically erase everything without making it a big hassle.

I don't think you understand what Google is doing with gmail. They aren't saving these e-mails because they can't delete them. They are creating a SEARCHABLE ARCHIVE of every piece of mail that gets sent to and from their servers. EVEN THE DELETED ONES. Which means that you can delete the e-mail, but Google will hang onto a copy of it anyway and put it in their database. There are very large privacy issues with this. This isn't as a result of a problem with webmail servers, they are doing this intentionally.

Yes, people don't have to use the service if they don't want to, but most regular computer users are often misinformed and they will not notice that Google is doing this. The only thing they'll notice is "Hey, 1GB of space!!"
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: TheWart
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: TheWart
That guy is a wacko....

Check out this site, then read his.

http://www.google-watch-watch.org/

People, web email is *never* going to be secure, and no, Google does not read your dang email. Read thier privacy agreement...Heck, how do you think Yahoo and Hotmail spam filters work? It 'reads' your email just as much as Gmail's targeted ads.

It's the not the reading of e-mails that bothers people its the fact that they are ARCHIVING all e-mails that pass through their servers whether deleted or not.

But see, the thing is, most other email services probably have the same problem. Google is just admitting it up front instead of being sneaky. And it is only because they use a certain type of filesystem that has like 32k (or something like that) cluster size, so it is impossible to technically erase everything without making it a big hassle.

I don't think you understand what Google is doing with gmail. They aren't saving these e-mails because they can't delete them. They are creating a SEARCHABLE ARCHIVE of every piece of mail that gets sent to and from their servers. EVEN THE DELETED ONES. Which means that you can delete the e-mail, but Google will hang onto a copy of it anyway and put it in their database. There are very large privacy issues with this. This isn't as a result of a problem with webmail servers, they are doing this intentionally.

Yes, people don't have to use the service if they don't want to, but most regular computer users are often misinformed and they will not notice that Google is doing this. The only thing they'll notice is "Hey, 1GB of space!!"
Just wait until someone comes in here and says, "Well.. it shouldn't matter if you aren't doing anything wrong... right?"

:roll:
 

tennisflip

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This is what Gmail sez on their website...

Data retention

Some news stories have suggested that Google intends to keep copies of users' email messages even after they've deleted them, or closed their accounts. This is simply not true. Google keeps multiple backup copies of users' emails so that we can recover messages and restore accounts in case of errors or system failure. Even if a message has been deleted or an account is no longer active, messages may remain on our backup systems for some period of time. This is standard practice in the email industry, which Gmail and other major webmail services follow in order to provide a reliable service for users. We will make reasonable efforts to remove deleted information from our systems as quickly as is practical.
 

thirtythree

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Originally posted by: tennisflip
This is what Gmail sez on their website...

Data retention

Some news stories have suggested that Google intends to keep copies of users' email messages even after they've deleted them, or closed their accounts. This is simply not true. Google keeps multiple backup copies of users' emails so that we can recover messages and restore accounts in case of errors or system failure. Even if a message has been deleted or an account is no longer active, messages may remain on our backup systems for some period of time. This is standard practice in the email industry, which Gmail and other major webmail services follow in order to provide a reliable service for users. We will make reasonable efforts to remove deleted information from our systems as quickly as is practical.
gmail-is-too-creepy.com is clearly a more reliable source.