GM yeah we made shity cars..but to bad for you!

[rudder]

So we should let them go down so we could loose millions of jobs...BRILLIANT!

Yeh because if GM went down... suddenly the demand for automobiles would stop.

 

[railer]

Yeh because if GM went down... suddenly the demand for automobiles would stop.

Well, that would mean Chrysler wen't down too, so at best 2/3's of the former domestic auto sales would go to foreign brands, and profits to foreign companies.
This isn't really complicated. Trying to keep jobs at home isn't a bad thing....unless you're some partisan loon, of course. Then it's all Obama's fault....even if Bush started the auto bailout.

 

[SandEagle]

That's Corporations for you.

that's American corporations, you mean. you wont see Japanese, German, or any other car manufacturers try to pull this this kind of crap.

 

[evident]

another reason not to buy shitty ass GM cars. why supporting this shitty ass corporation equates to being patriotic still makes me confused.

 

[Zebo]

This is why I'm not buying American for at least another 5 years. Chevy Cruze is very tempting but only long term reliability ratings would make me consider these cars again.

Yawn. I have a F350 I think it's an 01' so 10 yrs old which has 175,000 miles. No problems. Before that I had a 4runner which lasted about a year before a I ate it. 3 broken A arms @ $1200 a piece, fried tranny towing my scout out of back woods was last straw. Oh and it gets 22MPG too which 4 runner never got better than 16 and I can tow a house with it which 4runner never could

My Lincoln town-car had 187,000 miles before I gave it to NPR and had zero problems. I have an 07 TC with 43,000 and zero problems.

Basically every experiance I've had with ford motco has been fantastic and I only bought imports before that which I ate in no time.

GM is a different story tho. My wife's ex99-regal GS fell apart before 80,000 miles before giving it to salvage. All 4 power widows stopped working, cables got fucked up, climate control stopped working $1700, leather seats ate through, etc...Ridiculous. Had a bad ass motor tho. super charged 3.8 I put in a dune buggy.

 

[shira]

That's Corporations for you.

Um, no. That's bankruptcy law for you.

A warranty is an unsecured claim on a debtor (GM). Most claims are discharged (cancelled) when a debtor emerges from bankruptcy protection.

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh. Obviously, the plaintiff isn't talking about the original set of tires, but rather some subsequent set, possibly the third in the usual scenario of 12-15K miles/ yr.

The express written warranty was gone years ago, and bankruptcy should shield the new GM from all other claims against the old GM.

That's the way it's supposed to work, and the way it's been since before any of us were born.

Apparently, it really is a slow outrage day, because the junkies are trying to get a fix from whatever they can glom onto...

If this keeps up, they're going cold turkey. Could get ugly.

 

[Thump553]

Um, no. That's bankruptcy law for you.

A warranty is an unsecured claim on a debtor (GM). Most claims are discharged (cancelled) when a debtor emerges from bankruptcy protection.

Go back up and read the article. New GM assumed liability for all express warranties of old GM as part of its Chapter 11 plan. The lawsuit the article is about is a class action about alleged defects which the class action plaintiffs claim should be covered by some unwritten warranty of Old GM, and said unwritten warranties somehow also become liabilities of New GM.

The issue is not the quality of GM cars or even of the bankruptcy per se, but the vast extent to which sloppy readers here so readily assume the plaintiffs claims have any legal merit whatsoever.

 

[Ausm]

Go back up and read the article. New GM assumed liability for all express warranties of old GM as part of its Chapter 11 plan. The lawsuit the article is about is a class action about alleged defects which the class action plaintiffs claim should be covered by some unwritten warranty of Old GM, and said unwritten warranties somehow also become liabilities of New GM.

The issue is not the quality of GM cars or even of the bankruptcy per se, but the vast extent to which sloppy readers here so readily assume the plaintiffs claims have any legal merit whatsoever.

It's the rage from the Right...typical here.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perhaps the most striking feature of Righties is how quickly they turn on their own over any sign of weakness, like sharks in a feeding frenzy or chickens in a pecking party.

30 years ago, they regarded GM as a paragon of strength & virtue. When GM execs exploited that, looted the company to line their pockets, now GM is a buncha bums, losers of the worst sort...

Blaming the victims seems to be one of their standard themes...

 

[waffleironhead]

Hopefully the owners of those cars will buy German, Japanese or Korean cars next time.

Yeah, maybe then they will realize they are just a horrible as their American counterparts.
I've owed japanese and korean vehicles as well as cars from the big 3 and they all suffer from mechanical problems.

 

[trenchfoot]

Perhaps the most striking feature of Righties is how quickly they turn on their own over any sign of weakness, like sharks in a feeding frenzy or chickens in a pecking party.

30 years ago, they regarded GM as a paragon of strength & virtue. When GM execs exploited that, looted the company to line their pockets, now GM is a buncha bums, losers of the worst sort...

Blaming the victims seems to be one of their standard themes...

Wall Street mentality=Law of the Jungle=Repub ethos

 

[pcgeek11]

YOUR NEW GM VEHICLE WARRANTY IS MEANINGLESS

United States District Court Judge Charlene Edwards Honeywell, at Fort Myers Florida, issued an ORDER in Kidwell v. G. Richard Wagoner, et al., Case 2:09-CV-108-FtM-36-DNF overturning the GM Bankruptcy Court ORDER that made the new General Motors Company, LLC liable for new Vehicle Warranties.

Judge Honeywell stated that pursuant to the General Motors Bankruptcy GM Consumers were barred from enforcing their new GM Vehicle Warranties, and could not prosecute State Lemon Law Actions, Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act Claims, or any other kind of new Vehicle Warranty Claim against the new General Motors, LLC.

What this means is that if you have a GM Vehicle that was under warranty at the time of the Bankruptcy, or you have purchased a new GM Vehicle RECENTLY since the Bankruptcy, your GM New Vehicle Warranty isn't worth squat! You've been ripped off!

 

[waggy]

YOUR NEW GM VEHICLE WARRANTY IS MEANINGLESS

United States District Court Judge Charlene Edwards Honeywell, at Fort Myers Florida, issued an ORDER in Kidwell v. G. Richard Wagoner, et al., Case 2:09-CV-108-FtM-36-DNF overturning the GM Bankruptcy Court ORDER that made the new General Motors Company, LLC liable for new Vehicle Warranties.

Judge Honeywell stated that pursuant to the General Motors Bankruptcy GM Consumers were barred from enforcing their new GM Vehicle Warranties, and could not prosecute State Lemon Law Actions, Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act Claims, or any other kind of new Vehicle Warranty Claim against the new General Motors, LLC.

What this means is that if you have a GM Vehicle that was under warranty at the time of the Bankruptcy, or you have purchased a new GM Vehicle RECENTLY since the Bankruptcy, your GM New Vehicle Warranty isn't worth squat! You've been ripped off!

hmm interesting.

 

[trenchfoot]

YOUR NEW GM VEHICLE WARRANTY IS MEANINGLESS

United States District Court Judge Charlene Edwards Honeywell, at Fort Myers Florida, issued an ORDER in Kidwell v. G. Richard Wagoner, et al., Case 2:09-CV-108-FtM-36-DNF overturning the GM Bankruptcy Court ORDER that made the new General Motors Company, LLC liable for new Vehicle Warranties.

Judge Honeywell stated that pursuant to the General Motors Bankruptcy GM Consumers were barred from enforcing their new GM Vehicle Warranties, and could not prosecute State Lemon Law Actions, Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act Claims, or any other kind of new Vehicle Warranty Claim against the new General Motors, LLC.

What this means is that if you have a GM Vehicle that was under warranty at the time of the Bankruptcy, or you have purchased a new GM Vehicle RECENTLY since the Bankruptcy, your GM New Vehicle Warranty isn't worth squat! You've been ripped off!

Nobody's going to want to buy a car without expressed or implied warranties. GM vehicles just aren't in that much of a demand.

If GM decides not to back their product with warranties, (which is utterly suicidal) I really can't see them surviving the year.

There must be something that GM is offering its customers in lieu of the court's decision.

 

[Thump553]

Take a look at your written warranty-for any car sold in the US, regardless of make or country of origin. ALL of those written warranties expressly exclude ALL implied warranties. I do agree that it is crazy to except GM to sell cars without express warranties.

pcgeek11, perhaps you could provide a link to the article you cited-or better still, to the court decision. That flys in the face of every other article I have seen on this subject and I wonder how a district court judge would even find the authority to overrule part of a confirmed Chapter 11 plan-much less who would push for such a ruling (certainly not consumers, would do old creditors no good & New GM would be cutting their own throat by doing so & taking a 180 degree different position than they took in the Chapter 11 plan they proposed).

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm the current owner of my last GM car ever, fuck 'em. Too many problems, and not just with one car.

 

[RedString]

Yeah we should remove bankruptcy. Next time some single mom gets weighed under by interest rates she should just go live in the woods. That family business that went under leaving them unable to pay their debts with crippling interest, stupid arses should have known better.

 

[RedString]

Perhaps the most striking feature of Righties is how quickly they turn on their own over any sign of weakness, like sharks in a feeding frenzy or chickens in a pecking party.

30 years ago, they regarded GM as a paragon of strength & virtue. When GM execs exploited that, looted the company to line their pockets, now GM is a buncha bums, losers of the worst sort...

Blaming the victims seems to be one of their standard themes...

So what you're saying is people were ok with the company before they "looted the company to line their pockets", and now they are not ok with it.

.. sorry but I'm just not seeing the problem with this. Are you saying they should still approve of GM or that they should have disapproved of them from the very beginning?
This kinda just sounds like a vent on "righties" with absolutely no substance.

 

[WelshBloke]

Break up GM, we don't need no stinking corporations. We can just walk to work, distances between cities and stuff would eventually adjust to accommodate.

Well if you bought one of their crappy cars you'd probably have to.

 

[IGBT]

unconscionable. return business is fundamental to success in any business venture. This "business" decision will certainly kill return business. They won't get mine.

 

[rudder]

Well, that would mean Chrysler wen't down too, so at best 2/3's of the former domestic auto sales would go to foreign brands, and profits to foreign companies.
This isn't really complicated. Trying to keep jobs at home isn't a bad thing....unless you're some partisan loon, of course. Then it's all Obama's fault....even if Bush started the auto bailout.

Well at what point do we say that keeping these jobs here costs too much? There will be another GM bailout.. those previous union contracts were are just too expensive and they are an albatross that will be hanging around GM's and Chryslers neck for at least the next decade.

Should the U.S. taxpayer continually reward mismanagement?

 

[Ausm]

Well at what point do we say that keeping these jobs here costs too much? There will be another GM bailout.. those previous union contracts were are just too expensive and they are an albatross that will be hanging around GM's and Chryslers neck for at least the next decade.

Should the U.S. taxpayer continually reward mismanagement?

So it was only the Unions fault for their original demise and not piss poor management?

 

[waggy]

So it was only the Unions fault for their original demise and not piss poor management?

nope it was both. but neither one changed. So again to his question should we continue to pay? or at what point do we let them go under. the next bailout? or the one after that?

 

[trenchfoot]

Take a look at your written warranty-for any car sold in the US, regardless of make or country of origin. ALL of those written warranties expressly exclude ALL implied warranties. I do agree that it is crazy to except GM to sell cars without express warranties.

pcgeek11, perhaps you could provide a link to the article you cited-or better still, to the court decision. That flys in the face of every other article I have seen on this subject and I wonder how a district court judge would even find the authority to overrule part of a confirmed Chapter 11 plan-much less who would push for such a ruling (certainly not consumers, would do old creditors no good & New GM would be cutting their own throat by doing so & taking a 180 degree different position than they took in the Chapter 11 plan they proposed).

Good to know. Thanks.:thumbsup: