GM to announce Industry Leading Warranties.

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CFster

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What a load of BS JD Powers is.

People believe what they want to believe. The blue hairs that have always driven a Oldsmobile think it's perfectly normal for the car to go into the dealership for service several times a year. That's the way it's always been, and they just plain don't know any better - so they give the car a good rating when JD asks.

If they switched to a Honda they would be shocked.

I've said it before on this board and I'll say it again. I'm in the wholesale auto biz and see thousands of cars a year of all makes. GM quality isn't getting any better. We keep the local dealerships VERY busy with warranty work.

For example, a new G6 that has been to the dealer at least half a dozen times for a transmission problem. Or our Duramax diesel trucks that you have to change the fuel filter every MONTH or you risk plugging up the injectors (they've already been replaced twice on one truck). Or the multitudes of Northstar engines that KNOCK (GM says it's normal), along with the 4.7s, 5.3s and 6.0s with the same problem. Driveline "clunks" in GM trucks - again GM says it's normal (there's TSBs addressing this). Hell we even had one late model GM that both front window regulators fell apart within a week of each other. These cars come off the assembly line with parts falling off.

I could go on.

The warranty thing is a last ditch effort to save themselves. They're going DOWN.

Ford first though.

 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
i don't see columns... i just see a mess of numbers. try reformatting and using the code tag
I agree that it is a bit messy, but all you need is the last number in each row. That is easy enough to read. Or is it that hard to copy and paste, then open in a spreadsheet?

By the way, if you can tell me how to use code in any forum other than Software, I'd be very pleased. I'd be so pleased I'd edit my post above.
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: CFster

If they switched to a Honda they would be shocked.

I've got a Chevy Silverado and a Honda Civic. In terms of quality the Civic really isn't anything special to me, i guess maybe the dash is a little nicer but that's about it, luckily I drive with my hands on the steering wheel and not the dash. And believe me the Civic has been in the shop a hell of a lot more than the Silverado.
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: s0ssos
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Consumer reports ?survey? is not scientific and only uses statistics generated from those that subscribe from their magazine. They also show their bias in pretty much all their car ?reviews?.
JD powers reports do a general scientific study and every car owner has an equal chance of being polled for theirs.
So I would not go by anything CR says when it comes to cars. In fact it makes me doubt most of their reviews they put out now because of it.


who pays for jd powers' work?



They do their reports and industrys can buy them. There are no ads and the price is the same to everyone. Same as TV ratings.

Yea and your own little statistics that you pull out are any better? Please, at least it's some baseline. It's not 100% accurate, but there are some accurate trends depicted in CR and JD Power. Bottom line, is it's better than all the people who say their Toyota is super reliable because their dad's Camry has been running 250k miles, and same with those who claim their dad's domestic has been running for 300k miles and still going strong.

This is just like people who go zomg Seagate rocks, even the 7200.8, but once you look at reliability surveys on StorageReview, you will know it's the exact opposite. Just like all those people who say their WDs die so it sucks...
 

mrrman

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they are losing so much business they got to try something...would never buy a GM personally or even Ford for that matter
 

PingSpike

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I've got a question though...this is an either or 5 year/100k mile powertrain only warrenty right? Thats not leading really, hyundais powertrain is 10yr/100k. What is GM's bumper to bumper? 3yr/36k still? Am I missing something?
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Christobevii3
Not suprising, buick is the most reliable and driven by old people. You can't drive a car like ****** and expect it to last forever...
Who ever said Buick was the most reliable. JD Power study discussed in this thread. Notice that Lexus and Mercury beat Buick.

and yet, why is it that NO ONE ever notices that Ford is above the industry average and that it places quite a bit higher than Nissan?

 

altonb1

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The 3 year/36k warranty still applies to most of the things that go up, though. How often does the powertrain fail? The things I usually have problems with are the electric window motors and other electrical type things.

Even so, the longer warranty is nice to have in case it is ever needed, and they extend the roadside assistance plan, so that is also a nice touch.

I was thinking of trading in my '04 Cavalier in about 6 months, so maybe this will give me more incentive to do so. It currently has 41k miles on it, and since I drive about 2k/mo commuting for work, I'll have over 50k at that point. Hmm....
 

UDT89

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i buy american.

always have.....always will.

The only car id get outside that would be a BMW.
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Source says GM to announce 'industry leading' extended warranties in an effort to stop slide in market share to import brands.

September 6 2006: 10:26 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors Corp., struggling to stop its continued market share losses and close the perception of worse quality with import brands, plans to announce an "industry leading" warranty offer Wednesday, according to someone familiar with company plans.

The company has announced that Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner will announce "a major consumer initiative" at 1 p.m. ET Wednesday.

The company has suffered with customer perception of producing lesser quality cars than many import brands, particularly from Japan, even as some measures have shown that the quality gap has been closing faster than perceptions.

The latest J.D. Power Dependability study, which surveyed 48,000 owners of 2003 model-year vehicles to see how the cars fared three years after purchase put two GM brands, Buick and Cadillac, No. 3 and 4, respectively, in quality, ahead of brands such as Toyota, Honda and BMW. Lexus, the luxury brand of Toyota Motor, finished No. 1.

The lower perceived quality has caused GM to offer larger cash-back offers or other costly incentives to hang onto declining market share. But offering a longer warranty will also cost the company money as it struggles to trim losses from its core North American auto operations.

GM currently offers a 36-month, 36,000 mile warranty on most of its vehicles. Some Korean automakers such as Hyundai, which has also faced consumer perception problems, offers a 5-year, 60,000 warranty on just about all parts of its vehicles, along with a 10-year, 100,000 mile warranty on its powertrain.

How is this industry leading.. Hyundai been doign it for years..
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Source says GM to announce 'industry leading' extended warranties in an effort to stop slide in market share to import brands.

September 6 2006: 10:26 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors Corp., struggling to stop its continued market share losses and close the perception of worse quality with import brands, plans to announce an "industry leading" warranty offer Wednesday, according to someone familiar with company plans.

The company has announced that Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner will announce "a major consumer initiative" at 1 p.m. ET Wednesday.

The company has suffered with customer perception of producing lesser quality cars than many import brands, particularly from Japan, even as some measures have shown that the quality gap has been closing faster than perceptions.

The latest J.D. Power Dependability study, which surveyed 48,000 owners of 2003 model-year vehicles to see how the cars fared three years after purchase put two GM brands, Buick and Cadillac, No. 3 and 4, respectively, in quality, ahead of brands such as Toyota, Honda and BMW. Lexus, the luxury brand of Toyota Motor, finished No. 1.

The lower perceived quality has caused GM to offer larger cash-back offers or other costly incentives to hang onto declining market share. But offering a longer warranty will also cost the company money as it struggles to trim losses from its core North American auto operations.

GM currently offers a 36-month, 36,000 mile warranty on most of its vehicles. Some Korean automakers such as Hyundai, which has also faced consumer perception problems, offers a 5-year, 60,000 warranty on just about all parts of its vehicles, along with a 10-year, 100,000 mile warranty on its powertrain.

How is this industry leading.. Hyundai been doign it for years..

you throw in a clause like " full-line automaker" and you rule out Hyundai since they dont sell any trucks.
 

vi edit

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How is this industry leading.. Hyundai been doign it for years..

Hyundai isn't transferable. This is. It should help current owners with resale value since it is a selling point if they trade up in 5 years.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JS80
i'm still gonna buy a lexus...

I bought one recently. You won't regret it. Lexus has the best customer satisfaction and awesome service. 5/50k bumper to bumper and 7/70k powertrain warranty standard.

which one did you get? i'm thinking of getting the new es350 when i turn 25 in may.

My wife and I bought a 2006 IS250. It's a great car, fun to drive, handles well, excellent brakes and it gets 24/30mpg.

very nice choice
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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For a person like me this will only make a difference if their quality actually improves. Stealerships can pull many tactics to make your life hard to get work done under a warranty, they can always take a very long time, say that something isn't covered, etc.

If they improve their cars and the designs of the cars, then this is a great move however this alone doesn't mean jack ******. Hyundai really improved their cars a lot and together with a great warranty is a great deal for people and makes a good impression.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
For a person like me this will only make a difference if their quality actually improves. Stealerships can pull many tactics to make your life hard to get work done under a warranty, they can always take a very long time, say that something isn't covered, etc.

If they improve their cars and the designs of the cars, then this is a great move however this alone doesn't mean jack ******. Hyundai really improved their cars a lot and together with a great warranty is a great deal for people and makes a good impression.

and yet, hyundai still isnt reliable as Chevy, and there are 4 or 5 other GM brands above that (iirc, might only be 3)
 

AMDZen

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Originally posted by: UDT89
i buy american.

always have.....always will.

The only car id get outside that would be a BMW.

Are you one of those delusional people who think your helping the american economy by always buying "American"?
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
How is this industry leading.. Hyundai been doign it for years..

Hyundai isn't transferable. This is. It should help current owners with resale value since it is a selling point if they trade up in 5 years.

Wouldn't the warentee be gone after 5 years?
 

Lifted

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This is honestly the first thing I thought when i read GM and warranty.

Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting.
Ted: I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside.
Ted: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter.
Ted: What's your point?
Tommy: The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.
Ted: But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of ******. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: vi_edit
How is this industry leading.. Hyundai been doign it for years..

Hyundai isn't transferable. This is. It should help current owners with resale value since it is a selling point if they trade up in 5 years.

Wouldn't the warentee be gone after 5 years?

I'm talking the 5/100 powertrain warranties. If you sell a Hyundai after 3 years & 50,000 miles the warranty does not transfer to the new owner. With the GM plan, if you sold a car at the same age/milage the new owner still has 2 years/50,000 miles left on the power train. Not a dealbreaker, but I don't know who would ever turn that down.
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: Lifted
This is honestly the first thing I thought when i read GM and warranty.

Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting.
Ted: I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside.
Ted: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter.
Ted: What's your point?
Tommy: The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.
Ted: But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of ******. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.


I would probably agree with you but when I got to the fairy part you seemed to lose a little credibility. :Q
 

DurocShark

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I just got this from a local Chebby dealer:

100,000 - MILE

5 - YEAR POWERTRAIN LIMITED WARRANTY

+

100,000 - MILES

5 - YEARS OF COURTESY TRANSPORTATION

+

100,000 - MILES

5 - YEARS OF ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE

ON ALL 2007 GM CARS & TRUCKS