GM stop-sale, asks owners to stop driving 4,800 Chevy, Cadillac, GMC trucks / SUVs

[LTC8K6]

Improperly welded upper control arms, apparently.

If you are driving one, stop.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gm-asks-owners-stop-driving-152600874.html

The recall affects the following makes and models:

2016 Cadillac Escalade built between February 18, 2016 and April 6, 2016
2016 Cadillac Escalade ESV built between February 17, 2016 and April 5, 2016
2016-2017 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 built between February 11, 2016 and April 8, 2016
2016 Chevrolet Suburban built between April 2, 2016 and April 7, 2016
2016 Chevrolet Tahoe built between February 17, 2016 and April 5, 2016
2016 GMC Sierra built between February 11, 2016 and April 5, 2016
2016 GMC Yukon built between February 16, 2016 and April 6, 2016
2016 GMC Yukon XL built between February 17, 2016 and April 5, 2016

 

[Jumpem]

So what do they expect people to drive in the mean time? Is GM going to provide rental vehicles of similar fashion?

 

[LTC8K6]

So what do they expect people to drive in the mean time? Is GM going to provide rental vehicles of similar fashion?

I expect they will have to, since repairs are going to take a while. Plus, they claim that only around 800 were sold.

Still, if you are one of those 800 owners, you need to stop driving the vehicle.

Rental/courtesy vehicles shouldn't be too big an expense for GM.

When my brother's Grand Cherokee had a stop driving recall, the dealer actually had him stop driving it right then, and sent a tow truck to pick it up.

 

[Subyman]

Man, these stop-sale recalls are getting out of hand. Polaris just had a massive stop-sale and stop-driving recall on the RZR products because they can catch fire. Recall includes over 140,000 vehicles.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Man, these stop-sale recalls are getting out of hand. Polaris just had a massive stop-sale and stop-driving recall on the RZR products because they can catch fire. Recall includes over 140,000 vehicles.

The more things that get outsourced to China, or made more cheaply here because of trying to compete with cheap labor from China, the more of this type of thing we get. Might as well consider it par for the course now.

 

[Zorba]

The more things that get outsourced to China, or made more cheaply here because of trying to compete with cheap labor from China, the more of this type of thing we get. Might as well consider it par for the course now.

That and Americans are demanding more safety and more initiative towards recalling defective products than they used to.

 

[Subyman]

Polaris products are assembled in the US and designed here. Their recall was mostly a design flaw. One portion was terrible quality control in the voltage regulator, which is likely sourced from china.

 

[thesmokingman]

The more things that get outsourced to China, or made more cheaply here because of trying to compete with cheap labor from China, the more of this type of thing we get. Might as well consider it par for the course now.

I don't think it's outsourcing, more like institutionalized cost costing culture. It tends to happen to the same brands but not others.

 

[Torn Mind]

The more things that get outsourced to China, or made more cheaply here because of trying to compete with cheap labor from China, the more of this type of thing we get. Might as well consider it par for the course now.

The company that supplied the parts is a Mexican one. Welding is something done by human hands or robots, and probably by humans. If that is the case, whoever was employed was not up to snuff.

 

[thesmokingman]

The company that supplied the parts is a Mexican one. Welding is something done by human hands or robots, and probably by humans. If that is the case, whoever was employed was not up to snuff.

Nor was their QC!

 

[3chordcharlie]

The company that supplied the parts is a Mexican one. Welding is something done by human hands or robots, and probably by humans. If that is the case, whoever was employed was not up to snuff.

Control arms were a robot-weld item by the late '90s (I'm not sure how much earlier than this). QA/QC is the more likely problem here rather than 'talent'.

 

[master_shake_]

most if not all gm's newest trucks come with aluminium control arms and iirc they are cast not welded.

edit: just looked yep steel.

my bad...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Man, I'd be livid if I owned one of those vehicles. :|

 

[1prophet]

The company that supplied the parts is a Mexican one. Welding is something done by human hands or robots, and probably by humans. If that is the case, whoever was employed was not up to snuff.

Nor was their QC!

In the end it was a management failure that allowed those welded parts to ship.

 

[Greenman]

Man, I'd be livid if I owned one of those vehicles. :|

Why? It's not like they did it to be malicious. It was an error, most likely several errors. It's like cursing the sky when it rains.

Shit happens, having a fit over it won't help at all.

 

[Subyman]

Why? It's not like they did it to be malicious. It was an error, most likely several errors. It's like cursing the sky when it rains.

Shit happens, having a fit over it won't help at all.

Unless its VW

 

[thesmokingman]

Why? It's not like they did it to be malicious. It was an error, most likely several errors. It's like cursing the sky when it rains.

Shit happens, having a fit over it won't help at all.

Shit happens lol. It's 2016, shit like this shouldn't still be happening.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Why? It's not like they did it to be malicious. It was an error, most likely several errors. It's like cursing the sky when it rains.

Shit happens, having a fit over it won't help at all.

No, actually it's not. It rains fairly often but this sort of thing should be almost non-existent.

I've been driving for 35 years, owned many different cars over the years, and never once been told to stop driving one that I had just purchased let alone one that cost between $50-90k.

 

[Beer4Me]

Yea, I'm going to have to agree with Jules on this (zomg, I just agreed with him). This shouldn't be happening in 2016 with the technology we have now. GM also has to have some form of internal checks that should've caught this before final production. Someone just got lazy at GM.

 

[Torn Mind]

Yea, I'm going to have to agree with Jules on this (zomg, I just agreed with him). This shouldn't be happening in 2016 with the technology we have now. GM also has to have some form of internal checks that should've caught this before final production. Someone just got lazy at GM.

No amount of technology can save humans from neglecting to properly inspect welds. Control arms have been welded for a long time in prior eras, where you assume there is "less" or "more crude" technology--which is nothing but tools when we break down what "technology" is.

It's about implementing proper quality control protocol and actually following said protocol. While no process is going to be 100% perfect, the process should catch the bad batches before they ship out and practices that prevent bad welding should be implemented. The Mexican supplier failed to do something and that results in these bad welds.

I don't know about car factories, but I doubt it is cost effective to have both the supplier and the receiver have the exact same things dedicated to checking every part. The factory would need an area separate from the assembly line to do these inspections, and workers to do the inspections.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No amount of technology can save humans from neglecting to properly inspect welds. Control arms have been welded for a long time in prior eras, where you assume there is "less" or "more crude" technology--which is nothing but tools when we break down what "technology" is.

It's about implementing proper quality control protocol and actually following said protocol. While no process is going to be 100% perfect, the process should catch the bad batches before they ship out and practices that prevent bad welding should be implemented. The Mexican supplier failed to do something and that results in these bad welds.

I don't know about car factories, but I doubt it is cost effective to have both the supplier and the receiver have the exact same things dedicated to checking every part. The factory would need an area separate from the assembly line to do these inspections, and workers to do the inspections.

By the way, BMW went through this recently with their motorcycle division.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rec...ycles-potentially-critical-suspension-defect/

2014 BMW R1200RT Owners Advised Not to Ride Their Motorcycles – Potentially Critical Suspension Defect

BMW Motorrad has released a worldwide notification about a potentially dangerous suspension situation, which affects the 2014 BMW R1200RT.

Concerned about the safety regarding the Dynamic ESA electronic suspension package, BMW Motorrad says that there is a potential defect with the system’s rear spring strut.

Since the German motorcycle manufacturer cannot rule that the piston rod could potentially break, BMW Motorrad is advising 2014 R1200RT owners not to ride their motorcycles until further notice.

BMW Motorrad insists that this is a precautionary measure, which the comopany is making in the interests of customer safety, and based on a supplier report.

This recall affects 8,000 motorcycles worldwide, and to date there have been no injuries reported in relation to this issue.

BMW Motorrad says that it is preparing a technical campaign to replace the questionable components. Expect further information to come from the Bavarian brand.

Owners were up in arms over it and many people were complaining, some stating they'll never buy another BMW motorcycle because of this.

If you just spent $25,000 on a brand new motorcycle and were told to stop riding it, that there was a design flaw that made it too dangerous to use, you're telling me that you'd just say, "oh well, shit happens?"

Man, I'd like to sell you guys some vehicles.

 

[LTC8K6]

Gotta agree with Jules here. This is unacceptable these days. And what are you supposed to drive now that your $50K+ Tahoe might fall apart on you on the road?

No parts are available, apparently.

And are you now going to trust the repair? With your children strapped in the back seat?

 

[Torn Mind]

By the way, BMW went through this recently with their motorcycle division.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rec...ycles-potentially-critical-suspension-defect/



Owners were up in arms over it and many people were complaining, some stating they'll never buy another BMW motorcycle because of this.

If you just spent $25,000 on a brand new motorcycle and were told to stop riding it, that there was a design flaw that made it too dangerous to use, you're telling me that you'd just say, "oh well, shit happens?"

Man, I'd like to sell you guys some vehicles.

You know I am not disagreeing with whether it is dangerous? I am not that other guy. What I am nitpicking, is that it is unacceptable because it is 2016 and we have the technology, which implies that previous years were the dark ages of poorly welded control arms. It would be just as unacceptable then as it is now, and duds back then had to be caught just as they are now, and they actually caught them before making it to the car then.

You missed the Cliff notes. Quality control issues are because of technology or because.these are modern times. No, the issues are because the humans involved failed to perform the necessary tasks to stop them from being shipped and the supplier neglected something, be it culture, laziness, incompetence, etc. GM has been making control arms since they have been making control arms for a long time. It was just as unacceptable then in the 80s, 90s. It is.not because this is a.more modern age that it is unacceptable. It is unacceptable because the process of welding control arms is mature and catching or preventing the bad welds.

 

[Sheep221]

better to recall cars after 2 months than after 10 years which was last recall in 2014 for various cars made in 2004-2014

 

[LTC8K6]

What do you do if you are 1K miles from home on vacation with your family and your new Suburban?