GM shifts strategy for brands: Pontiac, Buick and GMC will be sold at single dealerships

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Only two of General Motors Corp.'s eight brands -- Chevrolet and Cadillac -- will remain full-line marques while the others will offer more limited product lines under a new strategy aimed at building sales, cutting costs and bolstering brand identity.

The move marks a shift away from GM's long-held philosophy that nearly every brand should offer a full array of cars, trucks and minivans, said Mark LaNeve, GM North America vice president of vehicle sales, service and marketing.

The automaker's goal is to clearly differentiate each of its brands and phase out cars and trucks that don't fit in with a brand or are too similar to other vehicles in GM's lineup.

"People say we have too many brands," LaNeve said in a recent interview. "We have too many brands if we try to do the same things with all the brands."

GM is revamping its sales and marketing strategy in an effort to reverse sliding sales and U.S. market share.

Analyst Jim Sanfilippo of AMCI Inc. in Bloomfield Hills said he believes the changes are necessary and could pay off for GM.

"It's like (GM Chairman and CEO) Rick Wagoner and LaNeve putting bricks and mortar back together while they're under fire," Sanfilippo said.

LaNeve said mass-market Chevrolet and premium Cadillac will be the two bookend brands, with each offering a broad product lineup.

In between, Buick, Pontiac, GMC, Saturn, Hummer and Saab will exist as "focus brands" with more limited portfolios.

That means, for example, GM could eliminate either the Buick Terraza or Pontiac Montana SV6 minivan -- which are similar to other GM minivans -- to concentrate on the brands' bread-and-butter vehicles.

Pontiac, GM's performance division, is dropping the Bonneville full-size car at the end of this model year and may see its product line further truncated.

GM is repositioning Saturn as a more upscale brand below Buick, leaving behind its past as a purveyor of plastic-clad compact cars. http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0505/19/A01-187008.htm
 

Desslok

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They have to do SOMETHING. Just not sure if this is it. Might help, then again bringing out cars that the public actually WANTS would help too.
 

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Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Pontiac, GM's performance division, is dropping the Bonneville full-size car at the end of this model year and may see its product line further truncated.

WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT?!
 

Horus

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Pontiac: Bringing you high-end performance vehicles, such as the Sunfire and Montana.
 

MrBond

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I see upscale Saturns selling about as well as the VW Phaeton. Hopefully sales will blow and they'll use it as an excuse to kill the line for good.
 
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Pontiac, GM's performance division, is dropping the Bonneville full-size car at the end of this model year and may see its product line further truncated.

Meh. Kind of disappointing to me since I like the Bonneville in general (my current car and last car are/were both Bonnevilles) - but it doesn't really affect me much since I wouldn't even think of buying a new car anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: MrBond
I see upscale Saturns selling about as well as the VW Phaeton. Hopefully sales will blow and they'll use it as an excuse to kill the line for good.

Have you actually owned one? There is something to be said when your car gets a few years old and it isn't rusting all over. I have almost 100k on my Saturn and it's never left me dead on the side of the road. I think I've spent maybe $600 on non wear and tear breakages for this car.
I don't know if this can be said for the new models as they are built on the same platform as the Cobalt and considering I plan to drive this car for another 100k I doubt I'll find out.

Saturn's appeal has been reliability and a car that doesn't rust and dent all over. If they take away the reliability and are planning to no longer make the panels plastic, then that would truely be a stupid move.

Chrysler and Ford have turned themselves around but it seems like GM is flailing about now that they are hemmoraging money.
 

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Originally posted by: Freejack2
Originally posted by: MrBond
I see upscale Saturns selling about as well as the VW Phaeton. Hopefully sales will blow and they'll use it as an excuse to kill the line for good.

Have you actually owned one? There is something to be said when your car gets a few years old and it isn't rusting all over. I have almost 100k on my Saturn and it's never left me dead on the side of the road. I think I've spent maybe $600 on non wear and tear breakages for this car.
I don't know if this can be said for the new models as they are built on the same platform as the Cobalt and considering I plan to drive this car for another 100k I doubt I'll find out.

Saturn's appeal has been reliability and a car that doesn't rust and dent all over. If they take away the reliability and are planning to no longer make the panels plastic, then that would truely be a stupid move.

Chrysler and Ford have turned themselves around but it seems like GM is flailing about now that they are hemmoraging money.
I think the brand has always been in the red...I drove one once. I am not at all exageratting: it was the worst vehicle I've ever driven. It was a mid 90's sedan and truly was a horrifict vehicle, worse than any cheap domestic rental I've ever had. It was small, looked like crap and felt like crap.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think the brand has always been in the red...I drove one once. I am not at all exageratting: it was the worst vehicle I've ever driven. It was a mid 90's sedan and truly was a horrifict vehicle, worse than any cheap domestic rental I've ever had. It was small, looked like crap and felt like crap.

When I started my current job 2 years ago my car had less than 30k on it. Now when I leave this job in a week the car will probably have 100k on it. The first year I put about 40k on it and 30k this year due to travel changes. I don't know what car you rented but my car has been rock solid reliable. I've never been left dead on the side of the road or had to "limp" somewhere. I've always gotten a minimum of 30mpg. The seats are comfortable even for a 1100 mile drive, the dash doesn't rattle and the interior looks better than a Honda Civic.

Maybe I got the one year that they got it right but whatever it is, seeing as my mileage will be dropping to a sedate 10 to 12k a year, I wouldn't be suprised if I'm driving this same car in 5 years. (If I want to be in a house in a few years I'll be :p )
 

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Why do Buick and GMC still exist? What's it going to take for them to discontinue their underperforming brands?
 

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I've never understood why GM has so many brands. No other auto manufacturing company does this and it can only be costing GM loads of cash. Does anyone really think a Pontiac is any different than a Buick or a Chevy or a GMC? I knew a guy once who owned a Chevy Suburban, he was a die hard Chevy guy but when he seized a bearing he threatened Chevrolet that he was going to go to GMC. That's a pretty fvcking hollow threat if you ask me.

Guess what though, he drives a Toyota Tundra Double Cab today and his wife has a Hyundai SUV! :laugh:
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Freejack2
Originally posted by: MrBond
I see upscale Saturns selling about as well as the VW Phaeton. Hopefully sales will blow and they'll use it as an excuse to kill the line for good.

Have you actually owned one? There is something to be said when your car gets a few years old and it isn't rusting all over. I have almost 100k on my Saturn and it's never left me dead on the side of the road. I think I've spent maybe $600 on non wear and tear breakages for this car.
I don't know if this can be said for the new models as they are built on the same platform as the Cobalt and considering I plan to drive this car for another 100k I doubt I'll find out.

Saturn's appeal has been reliability and a car that doesn't rust and dent all over. If they take away the reliability and are planning to no longer make the panels plastic, then that would truely be a stupid move.

Chrysler and Ford have turned themselves around but it seems like GM is flailing about now that they are hemmoraging money.
I think the brand has always been in the red...I drove one once. I am not at all exageratting: it was the worst vehicle I've ever driven. It was a mid 90's sedan and truly was a horrifict vehicle, worse than any cheap domestic rental I've ever had. It was small, looked like crap and felt like crap.

True. A couple years ago my wife rented a POS Chevy Monte Carlo from Enterprise. The car was brand new, only 2k miles on it and it was the biggest hunk of crap I've ever driven.

I rented an AWD Ford Escape last weekend and drove it 3 straight hours from Norfolk to the Outer Banks of North Carolina and I liked it. It's nice comfortable vehicle with good road manners and a sure footed feel to it. This one had almost 6k miles on it and was an '05.
 

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I've never understood why GM has so many brands. No other auto manufacturing company does this and it can only be costing GM loads of cash. Does anyone really think a Pontiac is any different than a Buick or a Chevy or a GMC? I knew a guy once who owned a Chevy Suburban, he was a die hard Chevy guy but when he seized a bearing he threatened Chevrolet that he was going to go to GMC. That's a pretty fvcking hollow threat if you ask me.

Guess what though, he drives a Toyota Tundra Double Cab today and his wife has a Hyundai SUV! :laugh:

I've never understood how they could have 8 brands, the duplication (and waste) of effort must be huge. And I'm still not sure what they gain with it. I can see having maybe 3 or even 4 if you stretch it, but 8 is crazy.
 

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While they might eliminate some of the models in some brands, most of the development is made on common grounds. This way, they won't save much money in development. They might save money in production (fewer variations of the same concept) and in marketing.
Also, I don't think they have a way to limit the wide range of products sold under the Hummer brand :p
 

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yep, they ethier have to make something out of saturn or just drop it. I think dropping saturn maybe the way to go
ps, more brands more dealers, was there thinking at one time
 

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GM is repositioning Saturn as a more upscale brand below Buick, leaving behind its past as a purveyor of plastic-clad compact cars.
Translation: "It's bloody expensive to engineer a unique space-frame for econoboxes that don't command anything resembling a price premium so we've decided that it's much better to use a cheaper steel body and up the margins on the cars."

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: Freejack2Saturn's appeal has been reliability and a car that doesn't rust and dent all over. If they take away the reliability and are planning to no longer make the panels plastic, then that would truely be a stupid move.
My '95 all-steel car has no rust. Neither does my '89 all-steel car. No dents either.

And Saturns are decently reliable, yes (they don't come remotely close to Honda or Toyota, but who does?), but they are about as refined as a Trabant. Almost the same interior quality too.

Sorry, but Saturns are point A to point B cars whose best attribute can be summed up in one word: "functional".

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: Freejack2
Originally posted by: MrBond
I see upscale Saturns selling about as well as the VW Phaeton. Hopefully sales will blow and they'll use it as an excuse to kill the line for good.

There is something to be said when your car gets a few years old and it isn't rusting all over. I have almost 100k on my Saturn and it's never left me dead on the side of the road. I think I've spent maybe $600 on non wear and tear breakages for this car.
Domestic buyers have very high standards. :laugh:

 

MikeMike

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It was needed. although i hope they just change the badge on the Solstice, make it a bowtie, and kill pontiac. and make the sky a cadillac, while killing saturn off.

although i really think they should KILL saturn, pontiac, buick, hummer.

make Chevy, the cars
make GMC, the trucks (hummer goes here)
make Cadillac luxury vehicles.

MIKE
 

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I think Chevy and GMC need to bring their trucks out a bit more.

When you go from a '99 GMC 1500 Sierra to a '00 Ford F150 (both in nice shape) and notice that the GMC has about 2x as much torque (when the Ford had about 300 lbs worth of stuff in the bed and was pulling 3500 rpms at 40 mph compared the GMC with about 600 lbs pulling 1400 rpms at the same speed you notice this), the Ford's interiors getting messed up, and that the resale value is so much higher on a GMC/Chevy, i just wonder why you see so many new Ford trucks (their F250 with the desiel is good, i will say that) and not as many new GMC/Chevy trucks, i'm a bit curious as to why...does somebody here know what would make you change your mind to go with Ford over GM with the F150/1500 series trucks?
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: drpootums
I think Chevy and GMC need to bring their trucks out a bit more.

When you go from a '99 GMC 1500 Sierra to a '00 Ford F150 (both in nice shape) and notice that the GMC has about 2x as much torque (when the Ford had about 300 lbs worth of stuff in the bed and was pulling 3500 rpms at 40 mph compared the GMC with about 600 lbs pulling 1400 rpms at the same speed you notice this), the Ford's interiors getting messed up, and that the resale value is so much higher on a GMC/Chevy, i just wonder why you see so many new Ford trucks (their F250 with the desiel is good, i will say that) and not as many new GMC/Chevy trucks, i'm a bit curious as to why...does somebody here know what would make you change your mind to go with Ford over GM with the F150/1500 series trucks?

the fact that the new Chevy front end looks like ass to a lot of ppl, Ford just redesigned their trucks, and well, GMC is more expensive than chevy.

MIKE