GM plans to cut 25,000 jobs in US!

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General Motors is planning to cut 25,000 jobs in the US as it tries to recover from poor performance there.
The US car giant is to shut down parts and assembly plants in an attempt to save $2.5bn (1.4bn) a year.

The cutbacks were announced by chief executive Rick Wagoner as part of a four-step plan to return the firm to financial health.

The carmaker, the biggest in the US domestic market, made a loss of $1.3bn for the first three months of 2005.

The loss would have been even larger without healthy profits on GM's financial services arm.

The company has already announced plans to cut 12,000 jobs from its European units, including Saab and Opel.

Tuesday's announcement saw GM shares gain 1% to $30.73.

SUV shortfall

In a "state of the business" speech to investors, Mr Wagoner said his plans could see more than 25,000 jobs disappear by 2008.

The firm's most recent performance had seen GM fall short of its expectations for market share, he acknowledged.

In addition, sales of lucrative sports utility vehicles (SUVs) were flagging in favour of smaller cars on which the firm earns slimmer profits, as high fuel costs hit home




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To recover, he said, GM needed to slim down and strengthen its eight brands with better quality and lower costs.

'Intense discussions'

The plan calls for North American manufacturing capacity to fall from six million units a year to five million.

It also sees a focus in North America on Chevrolet and Cadillac, with the other six marques - GMC, Pontiac, Buick, Saturn, Saab and Hummer - focused on targeted niche markets.

Mr Wagoner also noted GM's high historic healthcare costs - as much as $1,500 per vehicle produced.

GM had been in "intense discussions" with unions for weeks in the hope of reaching a deal on health costs.

Although he warned that the discussions could yet fall apart, he promised to do everything possible - including extending the time devoted to talks - to avoid a breakdown.

Michael Bruynesteyn, an analyst at Prudential Equity Group, said that GM's rate of retirement or natural attrition - when people decide to leave the company - was about 5% annually.

Cutting 25,000 or more hourly jobs would be in line with that 5% rate, Mr Bruynesteyn said.

GM's hourly US workforce totalled 111,000 at the end of 2004.

Big move

Despite signs that the US economy is improving, many companies are facing tough times and analysts said there was the threat of further redundancies.

"This may not be the last major job cut announcement we see this year as other companies, including other American automakers, struggle to make a profit," said John Challenger of employment firm Challenger, Gray and Christmas.

Mr Challenger said that the biggest problems facing firms at present were the "escalating health-care costs" and "the cost of providing ongoing health benefits to growing ranks of retirees".

Healthcare, pension and retirement obligations are expected to cost GM as much as $5.6bn this year.

The job cuts at GM would be the biggest since retailer Kmart said it was getting rid of 37,000 jobs in January 2003, according to

Mr Wagoner has been under increasing pressure from shareholders and the Reuters news agency reported that there were calls for his resignation during meeting with investors earlier on Tuesday.

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Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.
 
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Sigh. It's sad news even though I prefer the Japanese brands over GM and Ford. This will probably be just one more disaster for the state of Michigan.

I'm not sure if GM's real problems are a lack of innovation, an inability to compete with less expensive foreign labor (less value and quality in the product for the same price), a history of being saddled with a labor union, some or a combination of all of that.

 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.

hard working employees?

you mean the ones who get paid what, like $18 an hour just to put a part on a vehicle with an automated machine?

MIKE
 

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.

hard working employees?

you mean the ones who get paid what, like $18 an hour just to put a part on a vehicle with an automated machine?

MIKE
This from the lamer who just bought a Swedish-made Saab with the worst electrical system in modern history. Would you take a $7 an hour for the job?
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.

hard working employees?

you mean the ones who get paid what, like $18 an hour just to put a part on a vehicle with an automated machine?

MIKE
This from the lamer who just bought a Swedish-made Saab with the worst electrical system in modern history. Would you take a $7 an hour for the job?

hmm. we will see how that electrical system pans out. like any used vehicle if well taken care of it will last a long time.

$7 an hour for what job? hell if i had no degree and no where to turn i would take $8 an hour for any sort of job. but the Union is making those ppl w/ no degrees make more money than ppl with degrees.

your just pissed that i drive a nice car.

MIKE
 

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.

hard working employees?

you mean the ones who get paid what, like $18 an hour just to put a part on a vehicle with an automated machine?

MIKE
This from the lamer who just bought a Swedish-made Saab with the worst electrical system in modern history. Would you take a $7 an hour for the job?

hmm. we will see how that electrical system pans out. like any used vehicle if well taken care of it will last a long time.

$7 an hour for what job? hell if i had no degree and no where to turn i would take $8 an hour for any sort of job. but the Union is making those ppl w/ no degrees make more money than ppl with degrees.

your just pissed that i drive a nice car.

MIKE
I don't give a fvck what sort of car you drive. I'm trying to say that even with one of the best social welfare systems in the world, high-paid Swedish workers can't put a car together right, just like high-paid American ones. Do you think LOWERING their pay will make vehicle quality rise? Of course not. If UAW workers are forced to take massive paycuts at GM, I'll never consider a GM vehicle in any purchase again.

If quality now is bad, imagine GM with LOW-paid workers. :Q
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.

hard working employees?

you mean the ones who get paid what, like $18 an hour just to put a part on a vehicle with an automated machine?

MIKE
This from the lamer who just bought a Swedish-made Saab with the worst electrical system in modern history. Would you take a $7 an hour for the job?

hmm. we will see how that electrical system pans out. like any used vehicle if well taken care of it will last a long time.

$7 an hour for what job? hell if i had no degree and no where to turn i would take $8 an hour for any sort of job. but the Union is making those ppl w/ no degrees make more money than ppl with degrees.

your just pissed that i drive a nice car.

MIKE
I don't give a fvck what sort of car you drive. I'm trying to say that even with one of the best social welfare systems in the world, high-paid Swedish workers can't put a car together right, just like high-paid American ones. Do you think LOWERING their pay will make vehicle quality rise? Of course not. If UAW workers are forced to take massive paycuts at GM, I'll never consider a GM vehicle in any purchase again.

If quality now is bad, imagine GM with LOW-paid workers. :Q

imagine workers who could actually be afraid of loosing their job... you know, for being late, or drunk, or what not. the UAW will fight and get them their job back no matter what. i think i would be more afraid to do a poor job if i could lose my job, than if i got paid less.

MIKE
 

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
I don't give a fvck what sort of car you drive. I'm trying to say that even with one of the best social welfare systems in the world, high-paid Swedish workers can't put a car together right, just like high-paid American ones. Do you think LOWERING their pay will make vehicle quality rise? Of course not. If UAW workers are forced to take massive paycuts at GM, I'll never consider a GM vehicle in any purchase again.

If quality now is bad, imagine GM with LOW-paid workers. :Q

imagine workers who could actually be afraid of loosing their job... you know, for being late, or drunk, or what not. the UAW will fight and get them their job back no matter what. i think i would be more afraid to do a poor job if i could lose my job, than if i got paid less.

MIKE
Under your assumption then, GM quality should improve greatly after the 25,000 job cuts. We shall see.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: jumpr
Instead of laying off hard-working employees, why don't they first stop duplicating models and work on actually developing NEW cars and trucks?

The Buick Lacrosse doesn't count because it's ugly as sin.

hard working employees?

you mean the ones who get paid what, like $18 an hour just to put a part on a vehicle with an automated machine?

MIKE
This from the lamer who just bought a Swedish-made Saab with the worst electrical system in modern history. Would you take a $7 an hour for the job?

hmm. we will see how that electrical system pans out. like any used vehicle if well taken care of it will last a long time.

$7 an hour for what job? hell if i had no degree and no where to turn i would take $8 an hour for any sort of job. but the Union is making those ppl w/ no degrees make more money than ppl with degrees.

your just pissed that i drive a nice car.

MIKE
I don't give a fvck what sort of car you drive. I'm trying to say that even with one of the best social welfare systems in the world, high-paid Swedish workers can't put a car together right, just like high-paid American ones. Do you think LOWERING their pay will make vehicle quality rise? Of course not. If UAW workers are forced to take massive paycuts at GM, I'll never consider a GM vehicle in any purchase again.

If quality now is bad, imagine GM with LOW-paid workers. :Q

That is why GM and other US automakers need to bust the UAW and move plants to "right to work" states where they can get good and eager workers for less money.....that is who is building all the Japanese cars the little fanbois buy in this country, they are being built in the South, and not the south of Japan.

 

notfred

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AT has no right to complain after all the GM bashing and hating they do. If you act as if you'd be happy if a company went out of business, you can't complain when they lay people off.
 

Originally posted by: notfred
AT has no right to complain after all the GM bashing and hating they do. If you act as if you'd be happy if a company went out of business, you can't complain when they lay people off.
QFT. I'm 20 years old and I've owned three cars (1 used, 2 new). Not once did I consider buying a GM product.

Though living in metro Detroit, the shutdown of GM would affect those around me pretty badly.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: notfred
AT has no right to complain after all the GM bashing and hating they do. If you act as if you'd be happy if a company went out of business, you can't complain when they lay people off.
QFT. I'm 20 years old and I've owned three cars (1 used, 2 new). Not once did I consider buying a GM product.

Though living in metro Detroit, the shutdown of GM would affect those around me pretty badly.

think of all the other companies that supply GM w/ stuff. think of how much GM owes them and what bankruptcy would do to those companies. DC did it, GM is reacting a lot better than DC did from some of the ppl i know within the industry.

MIKE
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: spidey07
one more thing. guys on the line earn from 28-40 bucks an hour.

shiaat, i was off by $10 an hour? hell they get paid 3x more than i do for much less intensive work.

MIKE
 

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in the last 8 mos, nissan sales up 15.5%, toyota up around 8%, GM sales down 5.5%, and ford down like 3%. So how long before GM moves all car manufacturing to China?
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: spidey07
one more thing. guys on the line earn from 28-40 bucks an hour.


And therein lies the problem. Unskilled, rather easily replaceable labor, DEMANDING $28-40/hr plus benifits. The UAW is choking the US automakers to death but are too stupid to see they are killing themselves in the process. It is laughable.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: spidey07
one more thing. guys on the line earn from 28-40 bucks an hour.

shiaat, i was off by $10 an hour? hell they get paid 3x more than i do for much less intensive work.

MIKE

I was just trying to point out that they are pretty decent paying jobs. And these guys have families.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: spidey07
one more thing. guys on the line earn from 28-40 bucks an hour.


And therein lies the problem. Unskilled, rather easily replaceable labor, DEMANDING $28-40/hr plus benifits. The UAW is choking the US automakers to death but are too stupid to see they are killing themselves in the process. It is laughable.

tell me about it. You should see the benefits they get as well. Its like royalty.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: spidey07
one more thing. guys on the line earn from 28-40 bucks an hour.


And therein lies the problem. Unskilled, rather easily replaceable labor, DEMANDING $28-40/hr plus benifits. The UAW is choking the US automakers to death but are too stupid to see they are killing themselves in the process. It is laughable.

tell me about it. You should see the benefits they get as well. Its like royalty.

And that is what is really killing GM - the benefits.