GM may have a hit on its hands.... "I've never owned an American car,"... "But this is really a beautiful-looking car. "

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Jonathan Wollman confesses a bias for foreign cars. That's why the 41-year-old software developer from Los Angeles is surprised to find himself so smitten with the Pontiac Solstice, a sleek two-seater coming out this summer from General Motors Corp.

"I've never owned an American car," said Wollman, who wants to trade in his Mazda Miata. "But this is really a beautiful-looking car. It's enough to really make me consider it seriously."

He's not alone. GM's performance brand already has piled up 9,000 orders for the sporty ragtop, about half the number it had planned to build this year.

But instead of celebrating, Pontiac is quietly -- and delicately -- addressing complaints that its dealers are asking "well above" the $19,995 base sticker price for Solstice, according to a memo sent to Pontiac's 2,700 U.S. dealers and obtained by The Detroit News.

The letter underscores how much is riding on the Solstice for GM, which is reeling after a $1.1 billion first-quarter loss and is counting on new models to lift sales. It also highlights the tension that sometimes develops between automakers and dealers over how to sell particular models.

The practice, while within the dealers' rights, is angering some customers who were wooed by the vehicle's low price tag, and could sour customers' experience with Pontiac for years, the memo says.

"As you sell Solstices this year, please consider more than just the near term," said the letter signed by John Larson, the general manager of Buick, Pontiac and GMC, and Mark-Hans Richer, Pontiac's marketing director. "We are at a critical point in Pontiac's resurgence and encourage a long-term perspective of the total Pontiac opportunity."

But industry analysts say inflated dealer pricing on Solstice is a problem of GM's making.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0506/16/A01-217876.htm
 

preslove

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GM needs to up the production on those. I'm sure they could sell as many of them as they can pump out.
 

Queasy

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That's actually a niftier looking car than I expected out of GM.
 

thelanx

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I saw one on the road the other day, it caught my eye so I had to get a closer look. Nice looking car.
 

dandruff

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Originally posted by: yellowfiero
"I've never owned an American car," said Wollman, who wants to trade in his Mazda Miata. "But this is really a beautiful-looking car. It's enough to really make me consider it seriously."


wow ... what an achievement ... luring ppl away from miata ... wow ... does it also come with a free GM employee to wash my ass ...?


here this might interest you guys:
Sostice designer resigns from GM - joins Mazda ...

 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Best Pontiac since the FIERO!

Ouch! I hope not. I'd hate to see Pontiac die, which they would surely do if this turns out to be another Fiero.
 

notfred

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With Saturn having thier fixed pricing scheme, dealer mark-up shouldn't be an issue on the Sky, right?
 

marvdmartian

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Not too bad of pricing for the Pontiac. I did a quick set up at kbb.com, and msrp with the options I would add came out to ~$22500. Of course, tax would add another almost $2k, and title & license would drive it over that, so out the door price would be closer to $25k.

Now imagine you were expecting that, going into the dealership, and they told you it was going to be closer to $30k?? :shocked:

Dealerships are stupid, for the most part, if they think the public is going to line up to buy these things for over msrp. The economy won't yet support that sort of thinking, and it wouldn't surprise me if half the people they tried that on told 'em, "to heck with that, I'll go buy a Mazda!!". :disgust:
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: marvdmartian

Dealerships are stupid, for the most part, if they think the public is going to line up to buy these things for over msrp. The economy won't yet support that sort of thinking, and it wouldn't surprise me if half the people they tried that on told 'em, "to heck with that, I'll go buy a Mazda!!". :disgust:

For a first year production sports car, they will line up to buy it at $5k over MSRP, they've already pre sold 1/2 of the first year's production...

Rule of thumb is that the first year of production of a new sports car, sales are through the roof, then decrease significantly. Sports cars buys are expected to be more tolerant of production issues, recalls etc...

Pontiac dealers aren't smart enough to sell these at MSRP:disgust:

 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: xaguynamedguyx
i wouldnt get that car because the sole reason its a pontiac...i'm sorry man that emblem on my car would make me barf everytime i drove it

why is that?

because the interior is better than most other domestics?
because the interior is of foreign quality?
because its an upside down triangle?
because pontiac has a quite storied history behind it?
because pontiac has always has moderately sporty cars?
because pontiac now has a car that is ungodly hot?
 

hinduluv

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saturn sky IMO looks twice as good as the pontiac. i hop that they make a performance version of the sky over the performance version of the pontiac.

 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: xaguynamedguyx
i wouldnt get that car because the sole reason its a pontiac...i'm sorry man that emblem on my car would make me barf everytime i drove it

why is that?

because the interior is better than most other domestics?
because the interior is of foreign quality?
because its an upside down triangle?
because pontiac has a quite storied history behind it?
because pontiac has always has moderately sporty cars?
because pontiac now has a car that is ungodly hot?

Or possibly..

because pontiac is rather known for making sh1tty-ass vehicles?
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: xaguynamedguyx
i wouldnt get that car because the sole reason its a pontiac...i'm sorry man that emblem on my car would make me barf everytime i drove it

why is that?

because the interior is better than most other domestics?
because the interior is of foreign quality?
because its an upside down triangle?
because pontiac has a quite storied history behind it?
because pontiac has always has moderately sporty cars?
because pontiac now has a car that is ungodly hot?

Or possibly..

because pontiac is rather known for making sh1tty-ass vehicles?

name a pontiac vehicle that is sh1tty.

and it has to be something about it other than the interior.

 

Hammer

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: xaguynamedguyx
i wouldnt get that car because the sole reason its a pontiac...i'm sorry man that emblem on my car would make me barf everytime i drove it

why is that?

because the interior is better than most other domestics?
because the interior is of foreign quality?
because its an upside down triangle?
because pontiac has a quite storied history behind it?
because pontiac has always has moderately sporty cars?
because pontiac now has a car that is ungodly hot?

Or possibly..

because pontiac is rather known for making sh1tty-ass vehicles?

pretty much
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: Shortcut
aztek

ok its ugly, but what sucked about it other than the uglyness? iirc it got good reviews in terms of liveability if not for the ugliness
 

Actaeon

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Its an okay looking car. I perfer the Saturn Sky myself.

However, I'm not surprised its luring away some Miata owners. The guys on Miata.net are carefully watching this car. Some seem to hate it (only because it isn't called a Miata), and other seem to love it.