- Jul 2, 2011
I previously posted about Ford adapting its EVs to use Teslas NACS plug and it appears that GM is following Fords lead. If this goes through it might mean the end for CCS.
if this means all new cars wont need adapters, then cool. the tesla network is better maintained than any of the others.
do we have any idea what the terms are for gm and ford owners? does the customer pay as they go, or is there some sort of contract?
What battle between EU choosing CCS and what looks like the US going NACS? Do you plan on driving your EV to Europe?sadly we are now looking at a battle between eu on ccs and us on nacs. plus there is the ac vs dc signaling pins.
If my son borrows my car am I paying for his fuel when he charges up?@Red Squirrel I think you need to try it first before making a decision. Like I mentioned in my previous post the car and the charger manage the handshake so you don't even need your phone to start charging. You can just roll up, plug in, and then charging starts with no phone needed.
If you own a Mach-E yes the card on file will be charged for the fill up but I don't know how other manufactures will handle this.If my son borrows my car am I paying for his fuel when he charges up?
I think that I'd definitely rather be able to pay with alternative payments just like I would for anything else. I don't see the advantage of having on payment system tied to the car.If you own a Mach-E yes the card on file will be charged for the fill up but I don't know how other manufactures will handle this.
I have to ask though. Can't you just get the 70 pounds from your son when he gets back from his trip? If he doesn't pay you back isn't that part of being a parent? I have two children and my wife and I pay for things for them all the time and there is never the expectation that we will get paid back but maybe it's different in the UK were the cost of energy is higher.
Like I mentioned above this is similar to the early days of IMB compatible PCs. EV adaptation is still in its infancy compared to traditional ICE vehicles that have had over 100 years to come up with industry standards and government regulation. This is big news that hopefully works out for the best.
I don't necessarily disagree and like I mentioned above handling payment on the Supercharger network for Fords is all speculative right now. Neither Ford or Tesla have made clear on how payment will be handled.I think that I'd definitely rather bee able to pay with alternative payments just like I would for anything else. I don't see the advantage of having on payment system tied to the car.
There's a push to "appification" for payments for lots of things (not just EV power, car parking is the most egregious example that I have come across. Having to download and set up an app just to pay for car park really pisses me off!) and while it sounds great in a single case you end up having to juggle a ton of apps for lots of things when credit cards are ubiquitous and an already proven technology.I don't necessarily disagree and like I mentioned above handling payment on the Supercharger network for Fords is all speculative right now. Neither Ford or Tesla have made clear on how payment will be handled.
To be clear, in NA not all charging stations require an app, phone, or car to be tied to their specific chargers. I CHOSE to enroll in the Plug & Charge option for the Electrify America network.
Electrify America is the second largest charging network in NA behind Tesla and just like petrol stations on Electrify Americas network you can roll up, insert a card, and then plug in and start charging.
You're good, I'm just venting!I also want to mention that I am VERY new to EV ownership and I'm just trying to answer your guy's questions the best I can. I'm 43 years old and just bought my first EV in January of this year and only have 2,600 miles(4,184 km)worth of experience. If I make mistakes in answering some of your questions I apologize.
I just ask that you keep this in mind as I try to answer your questions and also tout the benefits of both Ford and GM deciding to move to NACS.
What in the buttfuck would you ever want to carry coins for this? Even in ass backward canada and your loonies and toonies or whatever the fuck they're called, would you really want to carry around ten pounds of coins rattling around in your glovebox?It still sounds finicky, as it's relying on a lot of things to work, such as having an account somewhere and other factors out of your control and I presume it still has an initial setup phase the first time you roll in to a particular network. You might run into several different networks throughout a trip so then you need to go through the setup process for each one. Making an account and all that. Or they might update or change things at some point that require you to action it in a way or another. It just feels like it's something that is meant to be easy but won't be because of various factors that could pop up over time.
Stick to credit cards and no need for any of that stuff, and it would also be simpler as there is no need for them to even handle money directly. All that is basically outsourced to the credit card processor. You make transaction, it gets approved, relay turns on, power comes out. With tap it's so easy anyway. Just tap the card and within a few seconds it would start charging.
An option that would be cool too is if they accepted coins like a car wash, this would give people the option to use cash to pay for the coins ahead of time and just leave the coins in the glove box. But at minimum credit card should be an option for every charger, if they want to do app stuff or tokens or whatever as an extra method fine but it shouldn't be the only method.
What in the buttfuck would you ever want to carry coins for this? Even in ass backward canada and your loonies and toonies or whatever the fuck they're called, would you really want to carry around ten pounds of coins rattling around in your glovebox?
At the end of the day, the reason for handling payments separately is so that the merchant can probably bundle multiple transactions together with the processor, or entice people to load an account with funds to reduce the number of transactions and therefore transaction fees. I'm all about it.
You're trying to live in the stone ages because you're worried about privacy, when at the end of the day nobody gives a shit about you - there's no government conspiracy out there trying to ruin your life.
electrify america and electrify canada are subsidiaries of VW as part of the dieselgate smogcheck scandal. with the way they run the charge network or how half-assedly they do so, it doesnt seem like it is a priority for them. there is no guarantee that they even care enough about the us market going electric that they would play nice by switching over their cars and electrifyAmerica over to nacs.What battle between EU choosing CCS and what looks like the US going NACS? Do you plan on driving your EV to Europe?
Also as far as payment options for the Supercharger network the rumor mill over on the Mach-e forums is that it will most likely be handled through the FordPass app which makes sense. I have Plug & Charge setup on my Ford account and all I have to do is roll up to and EA charger and plug in. No fucking around with credit card terminals or having to mess around with a separate EA app. I don't even need my phone because the hand shake is handled by the Mach-E and the EA charger but honestly who doesn't carry their phone with them 99% of the time now a days?
But this is the EV market we are talking about so give it a day and things will most likely change. lol EV tech is evolving at such a rapid pace it reminds me of the early days of IBM compatible PCs. Like the early '80's through the '00's when it moved so fast that 3 months and your CPU and GPU were already outdated.
You'd make a better case if you said paper money, but coins? How many miles are you going to get for $2.38, $1.49?I'm just saying it could be an option for convenience. Insert coin, relay turns on, it charges. Takes 2 seconds. Could also work for stations that are fully off the grid (ex: middle of highway running off a wind turbine or solar or something) and have no internet connectivity. Or if the credit card system goes down it would be a backup that works all the time. IMO credit card swipe should be the primary option and should be mandatory. Whatever else they want to do as another option I don't care about.
Maybe YOU don't care about privacy, but some people do. They need to stop trying to make our lives revolve around smartphones. Sometimes the "stone age" way is actually better. Technology just for the sake of technology is dumb.
You'd make a better case if you said paper money, but coins? How many miles are you going to get for $2.38, $1.49?