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Gloves Off: The Dem Plan To Hit McCain

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Pabster

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Story here.

Bill said that if his darling Hillary is the nominee, this would be the most 'civil' election in recent history. I dismissed that out of hand, and this article provides a glimpse as to why. The DNC machine is eager to get their hands on McCain.

Kiss 2008 Goodbye, Republicans.
 
Certainly with the recession this year, his multiple comments about poor economic skills combined with his admission in debates about being part of the establishment that has messed up the deficit, it's a lot of good ammo. I'd hate to see the left burn it up too early, though. Also, I still think they need to stick with obama to have their best chance of victory.
 
According to a January Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, 20 percent of registered voters want to withdraw immediately; 43 percent want American troops home within a year. Only 31 percent of registered voters - mostly Republicans -- said the troops should stay as long as it takes to finish the job in Iraq.

McCain was already facing those headwinds before he said in January that he "would be fine" with having American troops stationed in Iraq for 100 years, provided they were not being harmed or killed.

Democrats will leap on that remark to try to paint him as a warmonger, hopelessly out of touch with the American electorate and blind to their version of realities in Iraq.
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McCain is fvcked on his war policy alone. This isn't going to be a repeat of 2004, where America re-elected Bush to finish the fight. 63% of registered voters want us out in the immediate future.

He's also flip-flopped on big issues like tax-cuts, immigration, and special interest funding.
 
I seem to remember something about swiftboaters. Now who backed them up?

Both the Reps and Dems are going to back up the garbage truck and dump it. They always do.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

Bill said that if his darling Hillary is the nominee, this would be the most 'civil' election in recent history. I dismissed that out of hand, and this article provides a glimpse as to why. The DNC machine is eager to get their hands on McCain.

Kiss 2008 Goodbye, Republicans.
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You seem to forget how effective the Repub smear machine can be.
 
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

Bill said that if his darling Hillary is the nominee, this would be the most 'civil' election in recent history. I dismissed that out of hand, and this article provides a glimpse as to why. The DNC machine is eager to get their hands on McCain.

Kiss 2008 Goodbye, Republicans.
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You seem to forget how effective the Repub smear machine can be.
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Forget it?

Pabster is PART of it.


Or did you think he's a real person posting here just because he loves and cares about America and has a few "issues" with Hillary Clinton?


😛
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

Bill said that if his darling Hillary is the nominee, this would be the most 'civil' election in recent history. I dismissed that out of hand, and this article provides a glimpse as to why. The DNC machine is eager to get their hands on McCain.

Kiss 2008 Goodbye, Republicans. :thumbsup:
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If they succeed - brilliant!


 
Depends on who the Democrats nominate...if it is Obama, McCain can kiss the Presidency goodbye...as I said in another thread, Obama is not so much a candidate as a movement...a movement for change and a hope that America can move past partisan bickering towards meaningful legislation and competent leadership. The Republican smear machine will only serve to further motivate the grass roots movement supporting Obama.

If Hillary gets the nomination, expect a slugfest of epic proportions...the Clintons have far more dirt in their past than McCain...Hillary really cannot make the war in Iraq a central issue of her campaign considering that she voted in favor of it.

Also depends on who McCain picks as his VP.

3 months ago, would anyone guess that McCain would be the GOP frontrunner...a candidate known for crossing the aisle, and not in good standing with the core Republican base or Bush crowd?

Too many variables at this point to place a nail in anyone's political coffin.
 
I've been getting emails from Howard Dean about this and I have no idea why. Annoying! I can only assume because I signed up to read the "Huffington Post". I only wanted to read one stupid Naomi Wolf article too, that was a mistake!
 
Obama's fresh and exciting.

ask again after 7 months of voters hearing changechangechangechangechangechange nonstop if they want a kid who wouldn't know a battlefield from the back of his hand as commander in chief during a time when the US is engaged in 2 wars abroad or if they find the single guy saying this thing is still winnable to be more convincing.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
...if they want a kid who wouldn't know a battlefield from the back of his hand as commander in chief...
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Sounds like exactly what this country decided upon with a young Arkansas Governor named Slick in 1992.

 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: loki8481
...if they want a kid who wouldn't know a battlefield from the back of his hand as commander in chief...
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Sounds like exactly what this country decided upon with a young Arkansas Governor named Slick in 1992.
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we weren't actively engaged in 2 simultaneous wars in 1992.

it's all really baseless speculation at this point... 9 months ago, we were looking at an obviously Clinton/Rudy election, and before the 2004 election, the democrats were saying the exact same thing about how impossible it would be to lose to one of the most hated presidents in US history.

I think it's a mistake for anyone to underestimate the democrats capacity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, especially with so much time left, no candidate on the D side yet, and facing an opponent who can be very aggressive in courting moderates... change may be more powerful than experience in the democratic primary, but clearly that's not how the entire nation is trending; the republicans nominated experience over change thanks to the help of centrists, and I think attacking either Obama's or Clinton's complete lack of foreign policy and military experience will be a strong argument in the GE.
 
Flip flopping on issues will be used by both the GOP and the dems. Its hardly a new secret weapon although the attack lines on both sides are somewhat predictable.

But right now the GOP is in a state of denial, their black sheep don't toe the party line harshest critic just became the "republican voters choice". The very person they rejected in setting policy, the very person they gutted and swiftboated, now rises from the abuse to lead the GOP. So says the Republican voter and not the GOP leadership.

The real question is will the GOP leadership get behind McCain or not? And they damn well better do it NOW which does involve rejecting the leadership of GWB NOW. Failing GOP unity and action NOW, predict a GOP loss in November.
 
Pabster you either didn't read the article you linked, or you deliberately misconstrued it. The article says the Dems plan to attack McCain on the issues-like his admitted weak understanding of economic issues.

Nothing in the article remotely approaches the patently false "not conservative enough" smear the rightwingers have been tarring McCain with.
 
The righties have been doing a fair job attacking McCain. If I was the DNC I would be taking notes.

But it's not like we haven't had ample time and practice on attacking McCain...isn't this his 3rd try at becoming President?
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
You seem to forget how effective the Repub smear machine can be.
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It will make little difference if the voters don't show up.
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really depends on who wins the democrat nomination as to if republicans show up.

Also, this is what cabinet and political advisers are for.
 
Originally posted by: Thump553
Pabster you either didn't read the article you linked, or you deliberately misconstrued it. The article says the Dems plan to attack McCain on the issues-like his admitted weak understanding of economic issues.

Nothing in the article remotely approaches the patently false "not conservative enough" smear the rightwingers have been tarring McCain with.
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And his flip-flopping on various issues.

He's no Conservative, and I don't give a damn what anyone says about it.
 
I'll give McCain the benefit of the doubt since at least he can admit that he doesn't know something. Hillary think she knows everything and everythign is HER idea. Oprama can sit on it. He doesn't have enough experience and just by looking at the way he presents himself, he is on a power trip. He wants power to have power, not to help this country.
 
One learns so much about people by looking at how they see others. Find some bitter asshole somewhere and see how he says the world stinks.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so is ugliness. Does this mean that beauty is subjective. No It means that you are beautiful or ugly. You see what you are.

Instant Karma!
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: loki8481
...if they want a kid who wouldn't know a battlefield from the back of his hand as commander in chief...
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Sounds like exactly what this country decided upon with a young Arkansas Governor named Slick in 1992.
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And Bush 43 sure had a lot of relevant experience. Reagan too, for that matter.
 
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