Global Warming......

[mrSHEiK124]

Of course, this movie is to be taken with a large grain of salt. Not as large as the 42 ton grain of rock salt for anything Michael Moore, but still, a large grain of salt.

How much of this shit is actually true? I mean, it was definitely an eye opener, but the world population tripled in less than a hundred years, we probably are running our resources a little thin.

 

[Farang]

That question is out there for you to answer, sparky.

 

[summit]

the earth works in cycles there has only been ice caps on earth for about 20-25% of earth's history we may be towards a warming trend but remember correlation does not mean causation.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Farang
That question is out there for you to answer, sparky.

I already made a few of my own conclusions....

THOSE DAMN COWS IN INDIA RELEASE A FUCKTON OF METHANE (Maddox reference).

But seriously, we (Americans) largely drive inefficient cars, we're definitely pretty wasteful, and we burn a bunch of fucking fossil fuels (nuclear power FTW). But the shit about Florida becoming like 1/3 submerged is what I'm skeptical of. The shoreline receding a few feet, sure, but Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville, etc all getting drenched? Eh...

 

[sandorski]

The main problem with it was that he used the extreme estimates. Most have agreed that the effects will be much less than what has been put into Gore's movie.

 

[spittledip]

dammit formatting doesnt work

 

[spittledip]

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[PHiuR]

the question is, why did you watch it for COMPII?

 

[IGBT]

..it's a great money making racket. It's the con of the century. the carbon-con.

 

[0roo0roo]

the problem is that they don't acknowledge that the cuts required are beyond horrific really.
honestly theres no realistic solution if real
there are too many people
best to just prepare for the sh*tstorm

 

[Random Variable]

Whether or not it's true, the solution is not carbon credits.

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: Summit
the earth works in cycles there has only been ice caps on earth for about 20-25% of earth's history we may be towards a warming trend but remember correlation does not mean causation.

All you need to know.

 

[Rubycon]

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[jjones]

Please buy carbon credits. The future of the world depends on it.

 

[bigal40]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
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Watch this entire movie, I think you can get it all on youtube, its probably like 8 parts long.

It pretty much tells why al gores movie is wrong and proposes alternative causes to global warming.

 

[Minjin]

My school just had a very interesting lecture series related to this topic:

http://live.psu.edu/story/28241?nw=28

Follow the link and you can watch the lectures online. They are each about an hour long. Some are a little dry depending on your interest or education level. The global warming one by Dr Alley was excellent though. The solar one was very interesting, too.

 

[Jeff7]

We need a Yoyo-style mass-listing of links to previous threads on this subject.

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's a great money making racket. It's the con of the century. the carbon-con.

I knew I could count on seeing this here.

I've moved a bit more toward the middle on this matter in the past decade.
I prefer to think of it for what the title calls it - an inconvenient truth. Not cataclysmic, but inconvenient. Global warming could bring about changes in climate, which could push us outside of the reasonably predictable patterns we're used to, which could be inconvenient on a larger scale. For some individuals, it will be bad; the "Dust Bowl" problem in the US awhile ago was one example. On the large scale, it was a hiccup. Life goes on. Same with now. Yes, we're releasing ancient carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Is it enough to cause an increase in temperatures? Yes. A significant increase? Maybe.

Reducing pollution, such as from old style coal plants, and from gasoline-powered cars, should still be a priority. Breathing in gooey air like that over a major Los Angeles highway isn't healthy. Alternative electrical sources are still a good idea to look into, partly for this reason. Oil will run out, simply by virtue of the planet's finite size, and the time it takes for the stuff to form. When? Who knows. Drilling technology keeps improving, as does our ability to look beneath Earth's surface. It is certainly a volatile resource though, and the cost of extraction seems to be facing a continuing increase. A clean means of producing electricity will likely be needed, whether it be to charge advanced batteries, or possibly for hydrogen production. In time, nuclear fusion will likely provide this power. Until then, solar, wind, and tidal are things to look for.


I will say this though, if it does come to pass that our various gaseous emissions are the cause of global warming, and it does come to pass that this has a detrimental effect on people, those in power will deny responsibility. The popular defenses - "No one could have possibly seen this coming," or, "Why didn't those worthless scientists ever warn anyone that this would be a problem?"

 

[pcslookout]

I don't care what kind of weather or mother nature effect happens. I say bring it on no matter how small or large the weather or mother nature effect is.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: bigal40

Originally posted by: Rubycon
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Watch this entire movie, I think you can get it all on youtube, its probably like 8 parts long.

It pretty much tells why al gores movie is wrong and proposes alternative causes to global warming.

This may be it

Google videos are not playing for me today.

 

[oynaz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
We need a Yoyo-style mass-listing of links to previous threads on this subject.

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's a great money making racket. It's the con of the century. the carbon-con.

I knew I could count on seeing this here.

I've moved a bit more toward the middle on this matter in the past decade.
I prefer to think of it for what the title calls it - an inconvenient truth. Not cataclysmic, but inconvenient. Global warming could bring about changes in climate, which could push us outside of the reasonably predictable patterns we're used to, which could be inconvenient on a larger scale. For some individuals, it will be bad; the "Dust Bowl" problem in the US awhile ago was one example. On the large scale, it was a hiccup. Life goes on. Same with now. Yes, we're releasing ancient carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Is it enough to cause an increase in temperatures? Yes. A significant increase? Maybe.

Reducing pollution, such as from old style coal plants, and from gasoline-powered cars, should still be a priority. Breathing in gooey air like that over a major Los Angeles highway isn't healthy. Alternative electrical sources are still a good idea to look into, partly for this reason. Oil will run out, simply by virtue of the planet's finite size, and the time it takes for the stuff to form. When? Who knows. Drilling technology keeps improving, as does our ability to look beneath Earth's surface. It is certainly a volatile resource though, and the cost of extraction seems to be facing a continuing increase. A clean means of producing electricity will likely be needed, whether it be to charge advanced batteries, or possibly for hydrogen production. In time, nuclear fusion will likely provide this power. Until then, solar, wind, and tidal are things to look for.


I will say this though, if it does come to pass that our various gaseous emissions are the cause of global warming, and it does come to pass that this has a detrimental effect on people, those in power will deny responsibility. The popular defenses - "No one could have possibly seen this coming," or, "Why didn't those worthless scientists ever warn anyone that this would be a problem?"

Spot on. I could not have put it better.

 

[Throckmorton]

The fact that so many people on this forum think global warming isn't anthropogenic is only an indication of how well a vocal minority with no scientific backing can influence public opinion. You see the same thing with creationism/intelligent design, UFOs (IIRC almost half of Americans believe in alien visitations), alternative medicine (acunpuncture, chiropracty, ineffective herbs), Da Vinci conspiracies, etc etc. Otherwise intelligent people hear something contrarian that sounds good to them, and they run with it.

I never saw Gore's movie, but the science is out there, and all you have to do is go and look at it yourself. You'll just have to wade through all the bullsh!t to get to it.

Fact: We know how much carbon humans have released from fossil fuels + deforestation.
Fact: We have a temperature and CO2 record going back 800,000 years.
Fact: The recent drastic increase in temperature is correlated exactly withthe industrial revolution. You can parrot "correlation is not causation", but you'd have to believe in miracles (not math) to think that such a correlation with the industrial era is coincidence.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: bigal40

Originally posted by: Rubycon
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Watch this entire movie, I think you can get it all on youtube, its probably like 8 parts long.

It pretty much tells why al gores movie is wrong and proposes alternative causes to global warming.

Nice link. Here's a link to the first of eight parts of that documentary.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
We need a Yoyo-style mass-listing of links to previous threads on this subject.

I don't think I want to try that

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The fact that so many people on this forum think global warming isn't anthropogenic is only an indication of how well a vocal minority with no scientific backing can influence public opinion. You see the same thing with creationism/intelligent design, UFOs (IIRC almost half of Americans believe in alien visitations), alternative medicine (acunpuncture, chiropracty, ineffective herbs), Da Vinci conspiracies, etc etc. Otherwise intelligent people hear something contrarian that sounds good to them, and they run with it.

I never saw Gore's movie, but the science is out there, and all you have to do is go and look at it yourself. You'll just have to wade through all the bullsh!t to get to it.

Fact: We know how much carbon humans have released from fossil fuels + deforestation.
Fact: We have a temperature and CO2 record going back 800,000 years.
Fact: The recent drastic increase in temperature is correlated exactly withthe industrial revolution. You can parrot "correlation is not causation", but you'd have to believe in miracles (not math) to think that such a correlation with the industrial era is coincidence.

Your belief in causation is based on faith too. No one has proven causation which is why there is still debate.

The irony of your post is simply amazing.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Your belief in causation is based on faith too. No one has proven causation which is why there is still debate.

The irony of your post is simply amazing.

Some people still think it never takes off...

:laugh: