Global Warming: Why is there such a huge gap between public opinion and scientific consensus?

iamaelephant

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The scientific consensus on global warming is unequivocal. The vast majority of scientists and scientific organisations have agreed that the Earth is warming due to the increased greenhouse gas emissions and that these effects are caused by humans. That bold part seems to be where the public debate lies (most people believe the world is heating but many believe that it is not attributable to people, ie the warming is part of a natural cycle).

A study last year revealed that only 41% believe that climate change is due to human activity, and 1 in five believe there is no solid evidence for climate change at all (Source).

You only have to read a thread on this forum to see how much contention there is concerning climate change in the public arena. But what I find most odd is that this contention does not exist in the scientific community. Almost every major scientific organisation has agreed with the mainstream scientific view of anthropogenic climate change, including;
  • The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
    The Join Science Academies (plus Brazil, China and India)
    The US National Research Council
    The American Meteorological Society (AMS)
    Federal Climate Change Science Program
    American Geophysical Union
    American Institute if Physics
    American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
...among many others
(Source)

In 2004 Naomi Oreskes did a survey of over 900 scientific papers filed between 1993 and 2003 under climate change categories, analysing them based on which side of the debate they stood on. Of the 928 papers, not a single one disagreed with the scientific concensus.(Source)

Of course there are a small minority of scientists who oppose the mainstream view (see here) but they make up only a very small portion of the scientific community.

Now, this thread isn't intended as a debate about global warming/climate change. I'm curious about why there is so much debate about the issue in the public arena, while there is an almost total consensus in the scientific community. What makes average Joe think that he knows more about the issue than thousands of scientists who dedicate their entire lives to understanding it?
 

CanOWorms

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Probably because the issue has become politicized. Average people don't read scientific journals, too.

BTW, some of the major scientific organizations statements on climate change that you posted were co-drafted by global warming sceptics.
 

nsafreak

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Oh lord, I can already see that this thread will definitely be going places. Btw Politics & News is over that way ----------------->
 

Canai

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People are dumb, I mean, we reelected bush for crying out loud.

Herd mentality for the loss :(

edit: and by that statement, I mean that people cannot see past the lies that are fed to them by those they thought could be trusted.
 

DAWeinG

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1. People don't want to take the blame.
2. People are too accustomed to their lifestyle to want to change.
 

ppdes

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Since when has the average Joe seen any need to listen to scientists? 63% in the US believe the Bible is literally true, remember, so they can't even understand carbon dating and other basics.
 

iamaelephant

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Probably because the science has become politicized.

BTW, some of the major scientific organizations statements on climate change that you posted were co-drafted by global warming sceptics.

The statements by each of those organisations explicitly states that humans are having an impact on climate change. I invite you to read the statements yourself, they are very easy to find online.
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: ppdes
Since when has the average Joe seen any need to listen to scientists? 63% in the US believe the Bible is literally true, remember, so they can't even understand carbon dating and other basics.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that whole mess...
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Probably because the science has become politicized.

BTW, some of the major scientific organizations statements on climate change that you posted were co-drafted by global warming sceptics.

The statements by each of those organisations explicitly states that humans are having an impact on climate change. I invite you to read the statements yourself, they are very easy to find online.

So? I'm not debating that. I'm not going against what they claim.

Just thought that it would be something you would like to know.
 

crisscross

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Well one would expect the audience on this forum to be inquisitive and a lot more knowledgeable than the general public but you know that is not the case when you look at the kind of debates that happen here and the no. of posters who still think that Global Warming is just BS.

What can you expect from the general public?
 

theblackbox

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i always go by what a friend of mines dad said one day:

just because it's on a map doesn't make it so.
 

FleshLight

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Because earth systems science is a very broad discipline and I guess the so-called public isn't well aware of the net fluxes of CO2 from net primary production, the various carbon sinks and sources there are, the various feedback loops associated with increases in temperature, and the fact that BK has a $1 Big Fish Sandwich that totally dominates the Fish O' Fillet.
 

Beev

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I haven't really thought about it. I mean, I think (given my limited knowledge on the matter) that it exists, but I don't know or care why. Chances are it won't affect me during my lifetime. And balls to everyone alive after I die.
 
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Because most people recognize that the science is being driven by politics and not the other way around.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: DAWeinG
1. People don't want to take the blame.
2. People are too accustomed to their lifestyle to want to change.

This man is wise beyond his postcount :beer:
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Because most people recognize that the science is being driven by politics and not the other way around.

There's me thinking that most governments and industry were heavily leaning on the scientific community to water down their findings until very recently, i must have got it all ass-backwards :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Because most people recognize that the science is being driven by politics and not the other way around.

There's me thinking that most governments and industry were heavily leaning on the scientific community to water down their findings until very recently, i must have got it all ass-backwards :roll:

Governments grant the funding. Who gets the funding? Hint: It's not the guy looking for sun spots or chasing any other theory that doesn't point the finger squarely at us.
 

mobobuff

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1. I don't deny that humans have an effect on the climate.
2. I do deny that the effect we have is as significant as some would have you believe.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Because most people recognize that the science is being driven by politics and not the other way around.

There's me thinking that most governments and industry were heavily leaning on the scientific community to water down their findings until very recently, i must have got it all ass-backwards :roll:

Governments grant the funding. Who gets the funding? Hint: It's not the guy looking for sun spots or chasing any other theory that doesn't point the finger squarely at us.

That makes NO sense it the light of your previous comment ;)

If it was driven by politics, then anything that didn't point the blame at us should have received VAST amounts of funding by governments and industry.

 

theblackbox

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you also forget, custody of anna nicoles child is way more important.

It's because if it doesn't sell, nobodies buying. If the media doesn't push it, the only ones that care are those that are:

1. in college. (thats the magic time when for once in your life you know everything)
2. you post in at p&n
3. you are a scientist
4. you care about the human race.

 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Governments grant the funding. Who gets the funding? Hint: It's not the guy looking for sun spots or chasing any other theory that doesn't point the finger squarely at us.

"Well, looks like our reports on Global Warming have found that it's nothing to worry about and nothing further to study...so go ahead and stop our funding now so that we don't have jobs!"

I see no incentives there....... :p
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Governments grant the funding. Who gets the funding? Hint: It's not the guy looking for sun spots or chasing any other theory that doesn't point the finger squarely at us.

"Well, looks like our reports on Global Warming have found that it's nothing to worry about and nothing further to study...so go ahead and stop our funding now so that we don't have jobs!"

I see no incentives there....... :p

That's a simplistic and childish argument and you know it.

If it was as simple as that, don't you think that the governments across the world, and industry with its considerable lobbying power and resources, would have highlighted it as such in their decades of pooh-poohing climate change and particularly human influenced climate change? It's FAR more in their interest to have it exposed as a fraud ;)
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: dug777
That's a simplistic and childish argument and you know it.

If it was as simple as that, don't you think that the governments across the world, and industry with its considerable lobbying power and resources, would have highlighted it as such in their decades of pooh-poohing climate change and particularly human influenced climate change? It's FAR more in their interest to have it exposed as a fraud ;)

Meh, I'm just pointing out two sides. What about the fact that humans love to hear and read and buy into doom and gloom?