Global Warming is Not Alone

[GoPackGo]

link

So check this out...the ice has not only been melting at top..but from the bottom as well.

This discovery does put a bit of a kink in things though.

So maybe global warming should go back to being a concern and not an unavoidable catastrophe.

 

[Thund3rb1rd]

call it what you want

 

[Lemon law]

Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Yes, Lava has nothing to do with heat.

I forgot that we humans are evil dirty bastards and need to be eradicated off the face of the planet.

6 Billion cyanide pills should do the trick, right?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Magma flows are periodic (and often unstable), so the heat output would not be constant. Not saying it's important in the grand scheme of things, but it shouldn't be dismissed so readily either. Also, recent data indicate a net growth in ice on Antarctica due to increased deposition rates near the center of the continent, while the rate of decline around the periphery is roughly constant.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Yes, Lava has nothing to do with heat.

I forgot that we humans are evil dirty bastards and need to be eradicated off the face of the planet.

6 Billion cyanide pills should do the trick, right?

Sounds good, you take the first one, then we'll take the rest

 

[Genx87]

magma flows are often full of green house gases like Co2. I was watching a show on the history of climate change and a theory on how we got out of the last ice age is a huge magma field in siberia burned for 1000 years until enough Co2 was in the atmosphere to warm the planet.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

With that language:


Global warming probably is BS and likely accounts for nothing.


Ice has been melting since the last ice age.


The earth has been much warmer in the past.

 

[Lemon law]

Its funny that four people have managed to either quote my one lone post on this thread or take interpretations from it, and all four managed to get it wrong and some add error to injury plus insult.

There are many such global hot spots, thin spots in the earth crust. Just two such examples are in the Hawaiian Islands and another is over Yellowstone Park. The Yellowstone one, according to Geologists has been responsible for three massive super volcanoes in the last two million years and the Hawaiian one has been responsible for lesser but more frequent Island building volcanoes as the hot spot stays stationary and the much larger overlying plate moves over it driven by plate tectonics.

Short term, magma moves up and down, sometimes it breaks through to the surface and does something spectacular, but it does not mean the amount of heat leaking out does not stay at a rough constant failing such a surface manifested event.

And since we see an almost parallel amount of Ice melting in the Antarctic, half a world away, means this new find, although important, is not in itself accounting for what we see in global warming.

In short, lots of work to be done, and quit trying to impose your politically desired interpretation on ma nature. Your theory still has to fit the data and this one fails to meet the Antarctic sniff test as to it being the newly discovered missing link.

 

[sandorski]

Title is a Strawman. No one in the GHG/GW camp denies other factors, only the Deniers seem to think so as it gives them a weak argument.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Its funny that four people have managed to either quote my one lone post on this thread or take interpretations from it, and all four managed to get it wrong and some add error to injury plus insult.

Maybe your statement was unclear then.

There are many such global hot spots, thin spots in the earth crust. Just two such examples are in the Hawaiian Islands and another is over Yellowstone Park. The Yellowstone one, according to Geologists has been responsible for three massive super volcanoes in the last two million years and the Hawaiian one has been responsible for lesser but more frequent Island building volcanoes as the hot spot stays stationary and the much larger overlying plate moves over it driven by plate tectonics.

Short term, magma moves up and down, sometimes it breaks through to the surface and does something spectacular, but it does not mean the amount of heat leaking out does not stay at a rough constant failing such a surface manifested event.

There is plenty of scientific literature available on heat flux from magma varying fairly dramatically due to flow instabilities.

And since we see an almost parallel amount of Ice melting in the Antarctic, half a world away, means this new find, although important, is not in itself accounting for what we see in global warming.

Wrong again. The amount of antarctic ice been increasing for some time now. It's simply not depicted in any Nobel-winning movies because the addition of ice is happening at the center of the continent, whereas all of the dramatic loss is occurring along the periphery. Again, this is fairly well documented in recent scientific literature.

In short, lots of work to be done, and quit trying to impose your politically desired interpretation on ma nature. Your theory still has to fit the data and this one fails to meet the Antarctic sniff test as to it being the newly discovered missing link.

Quit assuming that everything is how you would like it to be. You've simply assumed that your model is correct based on ignorance and outdated evidence. I'm not saying climate change isn't real, because it is, but your statements are ignorant arrogance, a combination that I have a hard time swallowing.

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

I'm looking forward to my new beach front property once the oceans rise!

 

[Lemon law]

Climb Mt. Everest and you shall see marine fossils very near the summit. Stake thy Ocean front property claims at your nearest recorder of deeds now. Just don't hold your breath.

Those that are first shall later be last for the times they are a changing---Bob Dylan.

And don't quote me on it, I am probably a few words off on the exact quote.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Wrong again. The amount of antarctic ice been increasing for some time now. It's simply not depicted in any Nobel-winning movies because the addition of ice is happening at the center of the continent, whereas all of the dramatic loss is occurring along the periphery. Again, this is fairly well documented in recent scientific literature.

Ignoring recent evidence (march 2006) does little for your scientific credibility.

Nature CU report

NASA CU report

BTW, both are reports of the same study.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Scientific data shows the artic ice cap has been smaller than it is presently.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Scientific data shows the artic ice cap has been smaller than it is presently.

When? It being smaller before is not the issue.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Scientific data shows the artic ice cap has been smaller than it is presently.

When? It being smaller before is not the issue.

More than a dozen times since the last ice age.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Unfortunately, this GoPackGo links sheds zero light on global warming. The Presence of a thin crustal spot off the coast of Greenland tells us zero. Its been there for millions of years, it probably emits a relatively constant amount of heat into the water each and every year, and its likely to do the same over millions of more years.

The point being, its been there doing the same thing for a long time, yet we suddenly have all kind of arctic ice melting just recently. And the same thing is happening half a world a away in the Antarctic. Far away from this Greenland hot spot.

Scientific data shows the artic ice cap has been smaller than it is presently.

When? It being smaller before is not the issue.

More than a dozen times since the last ice age.

Do you have a source link?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Ignoring recent evidence (march 2006) does little for your scientific credibility.

Nature CU report

NASA CU report

BTW, both are reports of the same study.

Gravitometry a very definitive method for ice measurement due to local variations in density - ask anyone in the oil exploration industry - they invented the technology.

Some different methods might give more reliable results, but it's not necessarily definitive in either case.
Claims antarctic ice is growing:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/...abstract/308/5730/1898
Claims it's shrinking, but not enough to worry about:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/...abstract/315/5818/1529

More recent info from seminars every Friday.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Wrong again. The amount of antarctic ice been increasing for some time now. It's simply not depicted in any Nobel-winning movies because the addition of ice is happening at the center of the continent, whereas all of the dramatic loss is occurring along the periphery. Again, this is fairly well documented in recent scientific literature.

Ignoring recent evidence (march 2006) does little for your scientific credibility.

Nature CU report

NASA CU report

BTW, both are reports of the same study.

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The fact addition antarctic ice is accumulating faster than it melts at the edges does not mean anything in regard to the hypothesis on this thread.

The point is and remains, antarctic ice is melting at a greatly increased rate that parallels the arctic ice melting without that crustal thin spot to explain it.

So let us admit its resolved, the crustal thin spot off the coast of Greenland cannot by itself
explain why arctic ice is melting so fast. So other factors are also operating. And global warming, while not proved, is certainly not discredited in any way by this thread.