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Ronstang

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
we just had a record low at the start of july... yeah global warming. it's never hot in the summer.

there isn't enough data to argue either way.

Interesting.

Temp records falling in Colorado and South Dakota since they have been keeping record for the last 254 years isn't good enough for you?


Considering the age of the earth 254 years is completely insignificant. Twenty five years ago the agenda based scientists were screaming that human pollution was leading the earth into another Ice Age.....then the weather patterns make a change and they start claiming it is now Global Warming. There is nowher near enough data or real science to know any of this stuff in certainty. The thermostat that controls the earth reacts rather slowly and about the time you think for sure a spiraling trend of doom has evolved it starts to go the other way.

The world was once covered with Dinosaurs and a humid tropcial climate and it all changed fast enough to cause an Ice Age and then it changed fast enough again to all melt. All of this happened without any human pollution.

There simply is not enough knowledge on this issue to warrant all the knee jerking. Yes, reducing pollution and emissions should always be the goal but you have to be realistic about how far you can actually go.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
we just had a record low at the start of july... yeah global warming. it's never hot in the summer.

there isn't enough data to argue either way.

Interesting.

Temp records falling in Colorado and South Dakota since they have been keeping record for the last 254 years isn't good enough for you?


Considering the age of the earth 254 years is completely insignificant. Twenty five years ago the agenda based scientists were screaming that human pollution was leading the earth into another Ice Age.....then the weather patterns make a change and they start claiming it is now Global Warming. There is nowher near enough data or real science to know any of this stuff in certainty. The thermostat that controls the earth reacts rather slowly and about the time you think for sure a spiraling trend of doom has evolved it starts to go the other way.

The world was once covered with Dinosaurs and a humid tropcial climate and it all changed fast enough to cause an Ice Age and then it changed fast enough again to all melt. All of this happened without any human pollution.

There simply is not enough knowledge on this issue to warrant all the knee jerking. Yes, reducing pollution and emissions should always be the goal but you have to be realistic about how far you can actually go.

took the words right out of my mouth.:thumbsup:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
we just had a record low at the start of july... yeah global warming. it's never hot in the summer.

there isn't enough data to argue either way.

Interesting.

Temp records falling in Colorado and South Dakota since they have been keeping record for the last 254 years isn't good enough for you?

do you know how long we've been around for? the blink of an eye compared to the 4 billion years the earth has been here and i'm quite sure there have been many many MANY cycles in that period and all we have is data from the last couple of hundred years. there are uncountably many variables in the mathematics of climatology. we should reduce pollution as much as possible, that's common sense, but why is it so weird to have a hot age? we had an ice age.

OK, how bout the Core samples that go back millions and millions of years showing the planet has never gotten this hot this fast.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
we just had a record low at the start of july... yeah global warming. it's never hot in the summer.

there isn't enough data to argue either way.

Interesting.

Temp records falling in Colorado and South Dakota since they have been keeping record for the last 254 years isn't good enough for you?


Considering the age of the earth 254 years is completely insignificant. Twenty five years ago the agenda based scientists were screaming that human pollution was leading the earth into another Ice Age.....then the weather patterns make a change and they start claiming it is now Global Warming. There is nowher near enough data or real science to know any of this stuff in certainty. The thermostat that controls the earth reacts rather slowly and about the time you think for sure a spiraling trend of doom has evolved it starts to go the other way.

The world was once covered with Dinosaurs and a humid tropcial climate and it all changed fast enough to cause an Ice Age and then it changed fast enough again to all melt. All of this happened without any human pollution.

There simply is not enough knowledge on this issue to warrant all the knee jerking. Yes, reducing pollution and emissions should always be the goal but you have to be realistic about how far you can actually go.

took the words right out of my mouth.:thumbsup:

Aye.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
we just had a record low at the start of july... yeah global warming. it's never hot in the summer.

there isn't enough data to argue either way.

Interesting.

Temp records falling in Colorado and South Dakota since they have been keeping record for the last 254 years isn't good enough for you?

do you know how long we've been around for? the blink of an eye compared to the 4 billion years the earth has been here and i'm quite sure there have been many many MANY cycles in that period and all we have is data from the last couple of hundred years. there are uncountably many variables in the mathematics of climatology. we should reduce pollution as much as possible, that's common sense, but why is it so weird to have a hot age? we had an ice age.

OK, how bout the Core samples that go back millions and millions of years showing the planet has never gotten this hot this fast.

link?

i find it hard to believe that they can prove this without any doubt whatsoever, even with our technology today.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JohnCU
we just had a record low at the start of july... yeah global warming. it's never hot in the summer.

there isn't enough data to argue either way.

Interesting.

Temp records falling in Colorado and South Dakota since they have been keeping record for the last 254 years isn't good enough for you?

do you know how long we've been around for? the blink of an eye compared to the 4 billion years the earth has been here and i'm quite sure there have been many many MANY cycles in that period and all we have is data from the last couple of hundred years. there are uncountably many variables in the mathematics of climatology. we should reduce pollution as much as possible, that's common sense, but why is it so weird to have a hot age? we had an ice age.

OK, how bout the Core samples that go back millions and millions of years showing the planet has never gotten this hot this fast.

link?

i find it hard to believe that they can prove this without any doubt whatsoever, even with our technology today.


Dig up the link that shows the sun is the HOTTEST it has ever been. I am tired. How did we humans cause that?!!!!!!
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Ronstang

Dig up the link that shows the sun is the HOTTEST it has ever been. I am tired. How did we humans cause that?!!!!!!

:thumbsup: like I said, uncountably many variables in the climate equation for us to even begin to analyze/predict accurately.
 

dmcowen674

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It cooled off a few degrees in the last 2 hours.

It was 104.

I'm glad there is no such thing as Global Warming.

I'd hate to see what the temp would be if there was.

Never in my life have I seen such a string of straight 100 plus temps.

I'm just so pathetic.

Current Tulsa Temp 99°F Excessive Heat Warning

7 - Day Forecast:

Monday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 101.

Tuesday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 102.

Wednesday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 103.

Thursday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 102.

Friday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 101.

Saturday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 100.

Sunday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high around 100.
 

JohnCU

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why don't you show us those links? instead of ignoring what was said above. ^

yeah, a heat wave, UNHEARD OF! OMG!
 

marvdmartian

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

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I'm sure glad there is no Global Warming.

I'd hate to see what the temp would be if there was.

7-16-2006 Heat wave of 100 plus temps has much of U.S. sizzling

So then, 1000 years ago, if there was a heat wave in what's now the United States, was that also caused by global warming caused by human beings? What about 2000 years ago? Three thousand? Four?? :confused:

Bottom line, yeah, there's some of this caused by global warming. I won't argue that point with you or anyone else. But blaming ONLY global warming on the high temps is short-sighted and nothing more than an effort to blame the current administration for everything you find wrong with the world.

Gee, I wonder who you blame when you stub your toe?? ;)

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
why don't you show us those links? instead of ignoring what was said above. ^

yeah, a heat wave, UNHEARD OF! OMG!

Nearly 3,800 posts and you can't read?

Post just up the thread a bit:

05/31/2006 01:32 PM
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

This adds fuel to the Bush regime that the planet warming up is normal.

Guess we should just accelerate the warming and build more boats.

5-31-2006 Scientists say Arctic once was tropical

WASHINGTON - Scientists have found what might have been the ideal ancient vacation hotspot with a 74-degree Fahrenheit average temperature, alligator ancestors and palm trees. It's smack in the middle of the Arctic.

Millions of years ago the Earth experienced an extended period of natural global warming. But around 55 million years ago there was a sudden supercharged spike of carbon dioxide that accelerated the greenhouse effect.

Scientists already knew this "thermal event" happened but are not sure what caused it. Perhaps massive releases of methane from the ocean, the continent-sized burning of trees, lots of volcanic eruptions.

 

ericlp

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This all a bunch of BS. Man is not the cause of carbon dioxide levels going through the roof. Man must not be held responsible of global warming. God told me so.... Also, god told me that there were be even bigger storms brewing on the east coast because they are not preying hard enough....

Oh, and the volcanoes are causing all of our global warming problems.... Don't worry the earth cycles like this for 100's of thousands of years oops Well, at least the last 1000 years ago anyone I forgot the earth is only 1000 years old.


Man and posting all this BS on Sunday when all the phreaks get back from church. Hope you had a nice time *DRIVING* wasting gas to go to church causing more global warming....

You know what was really funny? We had a report here in Oregon about why the really LOW bird population (they are not producing eggs) "well no kidding there is no food they are starving to death" Anyway this bush supporter states that it can't be global warming since we don't know what global warming looks like. Hahaha!!! The all new twist...
 

Jamie571

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Originally posted by: ericlp
This all a bunch of BS. Man is not the cause of carbon dioxide levels going through the roof. Man must not be held responsible of global warming. God told me so.... Also, god told me that there were be even bigger storms brewing on the east coast because they are not preying hard enough....

Oh, and the volcanoes are causing all of our global warming problems.... Don't worry the earth cycles like this for 100's of thousands of years oops Well, at least the last 1000 years ago anyone I forgot the earth is only 1000 years old.


Man and posting all this BS on Sunday when all the phreaks get back from church. Hope you had a nice time *DRIVING* wasting gas to go to church causing more global warming....

You know what was really funny? We had a report here in Oregon about why the really LOW bird population (they are not producing eggs) "well no kidding there is no food they are starving to death" Anyway this bush supporter states that it can't be global warming since we don't know what global warming looks like. Hahaha!!! The all new twist...

I'm starting to see more and more of these anti-Christian posts. The OP subject is on Global Warming, but they'll always be someone to throw in the typical insult to believers. I find it personally find it insulting and disappointing to see how people have lost their honor and how to respect others religious beliefs.


I was talking with an astronomer buddy about the heat and global warming. He pointed out the temps on Mars and Venus has also risen in the past 3 years and the ice caps on Mars are recessing at a rate of about 40 feet per year. I think the US has done a good job to control emissions while maintaining a growing economy. China is the one that worries me, they seem like they have little desire to control their countries pollution now or in the future.
 

conehead433

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Originally posted by: Jamie571
Originally posted by: ericlp
This all a bunch of BS. Man is not the cause of carbon dioxide levels going through the roof. Man must not be held responsible of global warming. God told me so.... Also, god told me that there were be even bigger storms brewing on the east coast because they are not preying hard enough....

Oh, and the volcanoes are causing all of our global warming problems.... Don't worry the earth cycles like this for 100's of thousands of years oops Well, at least the last 1000 years ago anyone I forgot the earth is only 1000 years old.


Man and posting all this BS on Sunday when all the phreaks get back from church. Hope you had a nice time *DRIVING* wasting gas to go to church causing more global warming....

You know what was really funny? We had a report here in Oregon about why the really LOW bird population (they are not producing eggs) "well no kidding there is no food they are starving to death" Anyway this bush supporter states that it can't be global warming since we don't know what global warming looks like. Hahaha!!! The all new twist...

I'm starting to see more and more of these anti-Christian posts. The OP subject is on Global Warming, but they'll always be someone to throw in the typical insult to believers. I find it personally find it insulting and disappointing to see how people have lost their honor and how to respect others religious beliefs.


I was talking with an astronomer buddy about the heat and global warming. He pointed out the temps on Mars and Venus has also risen in the past 3 years and the ice caps on Mars are recessing at a rate of about 40 feet per year. I think the US has done a good job to control emissions while maintaining a growing economy. China is the one that worries me, they seem like they have little desire to control their countries pollution now or in the future.

Where did you come up with that crap?


 

Jamie571

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: Jamie571
Originally posted by: ericlp
This all a bunch of BS. Man is not the cause of carbon dioxide levels going through the roof. Man must not be held responsible of global warming. God told me so.... Also, god told me that there were be even bigger storms brewing on the east coast because they are not preying hard enough....

Oh, and the volcanoes are causing all of our global warming problems.... Don't worry the earth cycles like this for 100's of thousands of years oops Well, at least the last 1000 years ago anyone I forgot the earth is only 1000 years old.


Man and posting all this BS on Sunday when all the phreaks get back from church. Hope you had a nice time *DRIVING* wasting gas to go to church causing more global warming....

You know what was really funny? We had a report here in Oregon about why the really LOW bird population (they are not producing eggs) "well no kidding there is no food they are starving to death" Anyway this bush supporter states that it can't be global warming since we don't know what global warming looks like. Hahaha!!! The all new twist...

I'm starting to see more and more of these anti-Christian posts. The OP subject is on Global Warming, but they'll always be someone to throw in the typical insult to believers. I find it personally find it insulting and disappointing to see how people have lost their honor and how to respect others religious beliefs.


I was talking with an astronomer buddy about the heat and global warming. He pointed out the temps on Mars and Venus has also risen in the past 3 years and the ice caps on Mars are recessing at a rate of about 40 feet per year. I think the US has done a good job to control emissions while maintaining a growing economy. China is the one that worries me, they seem like they have little desire to control their countries pollution now or in the future.

Where did you come up with that crap?
EPA
 

Jaskalas

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A number of those who criticize the USA are the ones who pollute worse than we do. As if a country of our size should have the equivalent emissions of some small pea sized country.

We aren?t the worst, we aren?t the best.
 

wazzledoozle

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This whole month of July so far has been cold in western washington. High 60's to mid 70's tops, its odd. I bought six flags season passes too, but it looks like I wont be able to use them until August. We should be at least in the mid 80's this time of year...
 

Lazy8s

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It cooled off a few degrees in the last 2 hours.

It was 104.

I'm glad there is no such thing as Global Warming.

I'd hate to see what the temp would be if there was.

Never in my life have I seen such a string of straight 100 plus temps.

I'm just so pathetic.

Current Tulsa Temp 99°F Excessive Heat Warning

7 - Day Forecast:

Monday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 101.

Tuesday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 102.

Wednesday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 103.

Thursday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 102.

Friday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 101.

Saturday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high near 100.

Sunday: Mostly sunny and hot, with a high around 100.


TULSA, OK:
THE MEAN TEMPERATURE OF 68 DEGREES ON JANUARY 2, 2004 WAS
THE SECOND WARMEST MEAN TEMPERATURE EVER RECORDED IN JANUARY. A MEAN
TEMPERATURE OF 68 DEGREES ALSO OCCURRED ON JANUARY 22, 1909. THE
HIGHEST MEAN TEMPERATURE EVER RECORDED IN JANUARY WAS 70 DEGREES ON
JANUARY 7, 1907.
from: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tsa/jan022004_record_highs.html

Again for Tulsa Oklahoma
Highest
Temp Year Day

JAN 82 1909 28
FEB 90 1996 22
MAR 99 1907 18
APR 102 1972 12
MAY 100 1934 31
JUN 108 1911 10
JUL 113 1936 19
AUG 115 1936 10
SEP 109 1939 3
OCT 98 *1979* 7
NOV 89 1909 2
DEC 80 1955 24

from: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tsa/climate/tulrectemps.html

and from the same link the grand finale...drum roll please...


Tulsa, Oklahoma Climatological Records
All-time Record Temperatures and Date Recorded

HIGHEST MAXIMUM 115 RECORD AUG 10, 1936
LOWEST MAXIMUM 2 RECORD JAN 11, 1918

HIGHEST MINIMUM 87 RECORD JUL 16, 1980
LOWEST MINIMUM -16 RECORD JAN 22, 1930

HIGHEST MEAN 99 RECORD JUL 14, 1954
LOWEST MEAN -1 RECORD JAN 12, 1912


Are you pwnt? Yes sir I think so. Unless of course global warming started in 1901...

By the way that took me about 6min to find through Google. Please, use some critical thinking skills before you quote any news source. Otherwise you scream about global warming and you just sound silly.
 

Isla

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Lazy8s, I'm curious...

Are the record temperatures you have listed 'outliers' or are they part of a consecutive run of extreme temperatures?

In otherwords, what is the data regarding more frequent, sustained high/low temperatures? There are always anomalies in every year.... what is becoming the norm? Are the patterns changing? Because the plants really care about that. :)

 

Lazy8s

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Originally posted by: Isla
Lazy8s, I'm curious...

Are the record temperatures you have listed 'outliers' or are they part of a consecutive run of extreme temperatures?

In otherwords, what is the data regarding more frequent, sustained high temperatures? There are always anomalies in every year.... what is becoming the norm?

Well, that would be the point of the mean temp for January (typicaly a cold month everywhere) in the first quote and don't forget the OP is basing his claim of global warming off of a 1 week heat wave as well, but I'll go ahead and get it for you.

EDIT Here's the link: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tsa/climate/tulyeartemp.html

Some highlights:
DATE JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC YEAR DATE
1914 44.2 37.7 49.8 58.7 67.8 82.2 85.3 81.3 76.1 61.6 53.9 31.5 61.0 1914
1923 48.0 38.8 48.8 61.0 67.9 79.0 85.1 86.4 75.3 58.5 51.3 44.3 62.2 1923
1933 47.4 39.6 52.5 61.5 70.5 80.2 83.8 79.0 77.8 62.3 52.3 46.4 62.9 1933
1939 44.4 36.2 53.8 59.0 70.0 76.8 83.6 82.5 80.6 66.6 47.4 45.2 62.3 1939
2001 35.3 41.3 47.1 66.4 70.6 78.2 87.4 85.2 71.9 62.0 55.2 43.6 62.1 2001
2004 38.6 39.8 54.8 60.2 71.8 75.1 79.1 77.0 74.8 64.9 51.6 42.4 61.0 2004
2005 38.9 45.8 50.7 61.0 69.2 79.6 82.4 83.0 77.2 63.0 54.3 38.7 62.1 2005

Even just the january temps tell the story let alone July and August. Global warming anyone?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Isla
Lazy8s, I'm curious...

Are the record temperatures you have listed 'outliers' or are they part of a consecutive run of extreme temperatures?

In otherwords, what is the data regarding more frequent, sustained high/low temperatures? There are always anomalies in every year.... what is becoming the norm? Are the patterns changing? Because the plants really care about that. :)

Exactly Isla.

He is not posting the annual increase in temp which has been shown to be increasing and the highest and fastest rate evar.

He is guilty of selective Googling and Republicing
 

ECUHITMAN

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Well I quote the Competitive Enterprise Institute:
Global warming is happening and man is responsible for at least some of it.
Found Here

Most people agree (even those on the right) that global warming is happening, the problem is those on the right are more concerned with corporate profits and lining their own pockets to suggest we do anything about it. Massive cuts in energy consumption would be devastating to corporate America and as CEI says:
Yet this does not mean that global warming will cause enough damage to the Earth and humanity to require drastic cuts in energy use, a policy that would have damaging consequences of its own.

Apparently, some damage to the Earth and humanity is ok. I guess it all comes down to $$$. People and the Earth are only worth saving if the amount of money spent would be more if they did nothing.


EDIT: Using selective highlights (i.e. Lazy8s) is not really all that accurate. Here is a chart I created using Excel to show the moving average of temperatures in January in Tulsa, OK. Make your own decision what this proves or disproves.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/wblakenc/TulsaOK.jpg