Glenn Greenwald: Progressives and Ron Paul

[RabidMongoose]

He's good, so you're likely to hate him, but he's a Salon.com writer and one of the leading civil rights commentators in the country, who I've mentioned here for years (note my sig).

http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/

He's long criticized civil rights violations from warrantless wiretapping to torture to the aggressive expansion of the power to kill by the government under Bush and Obama.

He's a good daily read, along with commondreams.org (who re-publishes him).

Was it his writings that made you support religious and gender discrimination? He may be a Ron Paul type, talking about civil rights and liberties, but in reality only talking about them in limited aspects. You have already shown yourself to have very disgusting views when it comes to the civil rights and liberties of religious minorities and women, so I am very suspicious of your statements about Greenwald.

 

[Steeplerot]

Hopefully it is family, could you imagine actually partying with the Austrian economics entitled losers? "Hey buh-bee lemme tell you about Milton Friedman's views on inflation or even worse the ultimate woman turn off -good luck getting that bra off after telling her all about altruism being tyranny and caring being evil. What a buzzkil. It may work on goldiggers and the occasional pat Robertson university mail in diploma reject turned prostitute I guess. Doubtful.

If you are gonna go the brainy route at least be interested in thing humans can relate to instead of emotional baggage turned economic crackpot theory.

Carl Sagan stuff and space works. But ymmv.

Sorry to pick at you Bober hopefully 2012 is less rage inducing for us all. Happy holidays.

 

[fskimospy]

Hopefully it is family, could you imagine actually partying with the Austrian economics entitled losers? "Hey buh-bee lemme tell you about Milton Friedman's views on inflation or even worse the ultimate woman turn off -good luck getting that bra off after telling her all about altruism being tyranny and caring being evil. What a buzzkil. It may work on goldiggers and the occasional pat Robertson university mail in diploma reject turned prostitute I guess. Doubtful.

If you are gonna go the brainy route at least be interested in thing humans can relate to instead of emotional baggage turned economic crackpot theory.

Carl Sagan stuff and space works. But ymmv.

Sorry to pick at you Bober hopefully 2012 is less rage inducing for us all. Happy holidays.

Actually Milton Friedman thought the Austrians were full of shit too. Contempt for the Austrian School comes from all corners.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Who would have thought that people would have contempt for an economic school of thought that doesn't believe in the scientific method and the use of empirical data. It's almost like it's such a joke that it's relegated to a few third rate universities and adherents of a crazy racist troll of a man.

 

[LumbergTech]

this is hilarious..

Ron Paul is so full of racism, sexism etc that he cannot even fucking contain himself. It just leaks out all over the place. Obama, if he does hold some of the views he is accused of, can at least keep his fucking mouth shut most of the time. Ron Paul is so blatantly flawed that its just hilarious you even try this comparison.

 

[momeNt]

Actually Milton Friedman thought the Austrians were full of shit too. Contempt for the Austrian School comes from all corners.

Here is an empirical look at Austrian business cycle theory.

http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae9_2_4.pdf

obviously a lot must be abandoned by true austrians in order for them to even believe an empirical test confirming their own predictions, but perhaps establishment economists will embrace the theory with open arms?

 

[Bowfinger]

Right, which is why they didn't vote for Obama, they voted for Nader or some socialist candidate...

Right...

Bu... bu... bu... Ron Paul is racist! He's worse than Obama!

Face it. You are the problem. You're guilty of exactly what Greenwald is talking about.

It seems to me that in your zeal to attack "progressives" you're ignoring the obvious and jumping straight to the fallacy. With too few exceptions, Americans of whatever ideology have been indoctrinated to believe the only votes that count are votes for Demlicans or Republocrats. Progressives voted for Obama not because they were blind to his flaws, but because they saw him as the lesser of two evils. The same goes with Paul. They see Paul as worse (and generally see him as much worse) than Obama. Therefore, they reject him. The idea of supporting a third-party candidate just isn't on their radar.

 

[fskimospy]

Here is an empirical look at Austrian business cycle theory.

http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae9_2_4.pdf

obviously a lot must be abandoned by true austrians in order for them to even believe an empirical test confirming their own predictions, but perhaps establishment economists will embrace the theory with open arms?

Do you realize how much empirical evidence there is out there that contradicts the ABC theory? Do you know just how many papers have punched holes in it? Why would one paper published by an Austrian advocacy journal alter that? If you would like me to list journal articles debunking ABC I can do that, but a quick google search will leave you with far more than you have time to read.

 

[momeNt]

Do you realize how much empirical evidence there is out there that contradicts the ABC theory? Do you know just how many papers have punched holes in it? Why would one paper published by an Austrian advocacy journal alter that? If you would like me to list journal articles debunking ABC I can do that, but a quick google search will leave you with far more than you have time to read.

All i've seen is people trying to debunk ABCT with a priori deduction.

 

[fskimospy]

All i've seen is people trying to debunk ABCT with a priori deduction.

That happens quite frequently due to the fact that all of Austrian economics is basically that. If the people you engage with don't accept empirical data, that's what happens.

Still, people like Milton Friedman have directly analyzed the relationship between booms and busts that the ABC tries to describe and found that the evidence simply didn't support it. He's not alone.

 

[BoberFett]

lol nice rage flameout. Did you even read what I posted?

Sure I read it. You assumed I have made disparaging comments about Glenn Greenwald in the past and were attempting to use these fictional past attacks to discredit this entire thread, asshole.

 

[fskimospy]

Sure I read it. You assumed I have made disparaging comments about Glenn Greenwald in the past and were attempting to use these fictional past attacks to discredit this entire thread, asshole.

Actually I didn't say that, I genuinely wondered if you had attacked him in the past as it would have been very in character of you to do so but I couldn't look it up because the forum search is jacked. You took your own meaning to it, not my meaning. Don't think I'm missing the irony of you making an unfounded assumption in order to attack me about making an unfounded assumption though. That's pretty fantastic.

You're starting to make me feel bad, making fun of you is just too easy.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Here is an empirical look at Austrian business cycle theory.

http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae9_2_4.pdf

obviously a lot must be abandoned by true austrians in order for them to even believe an empirical test confirming their own predictions, but perhaps establishment economists will embrace the theory with open arms?

Ah, yes, from that true elite center of intellectual thought, Auburn University. That's how pathetic Austrian economics is, it is centered around such third rate universities.

 

[momeNt]

Ah, yes, from that true elite center of intellectual thought, Auburn University. That's how pathetic Austrian economics is, it is centered around such third rate universities.

Bigot.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Bigot.

Yes, Ron Paul is a bigot.

 

[momeNt]

Yes, Ron Paul is a bigot.

Stick to just popping into random Dr. Paul threads and calling him a racist.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Stick to just popping into random Dr. Paul threads and calling him a racist.

No thanks. Considering I know more about Ron Paul than Ron Paulites here, I think that I'll stick with the truth about how horrible Ron Paul really is.

 

[Steeplerot]

Sure I read it. You assumed I have made disparaging comments about Glenn Greenwald in the past and were attempting to use these fictional past attacks to discredit this entire thread, asshole.

What an attention whore. I don't even think you know shit about politics or economics.

I hope you get a hug someday, you could use it.