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raildogg

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So exactly how does all that prove this country isn't racist vs my example?? Why are black people punished harsher for the same crimes as whites?
Are they punished harsher or are they punished more because there's more cases involving them?

Or are you simply claiming that it's due to blatant racism that blacks are arrested more? There's gotta be more there besides race. Also, how many black officers are there? I would bet many. If this was as prevalent as you claim, why are they not quitting?
 

VashHT

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Tell us, how do improve the African American community? Is it an internal problem or entirely external problem? Maybe a combination of both?

But yeah definitely, all these foreigners coming into America and doing well. That cannot be denied.
No not all of them do well, but yeah a lot do. That doesn't automatically mean racism doesn't exist, not even sure how you can say that when I hear right wingers bitching about that very situation all the time.
 

VashHT

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Are they punished harsher or are they punished more because there's more cases involving them?

Or are you simply claiming that it's due to blatant racism that blacks are arrested more? There's gotta be more there besides race. Also, how many black officers are there? I would bet many. If this was as prevalent as you claim, why are they not quitting?
Lmao are you seriously suggesting that if a certain race commits more crime then they collectively deserve to be punished more? That's what your first sentence sounds like for sure.
 

raildogg

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Lmao are you seriously suggesting that if a certain race commits more crime then they collectively deserve to be punished more? That's what your first sentence sounds like for sure.
No, that's definitely not what I said or meant. If Tongans decide to steal strawberries tomorrow, the police will definitely arrest more Tongans. This will make the life of other Tongans more difficult because they associate with those strawberry stealing Tongans. Racism is real and happens and has definitely happened too much. But if a society tries to heal itself from within, it might go a long ways.

Look at various ethnic groups all around the world who merely a few decades ago had nothing but are now doing quite well. Did they get better or the external environment improve? Maybe a combination of the two.
 

VashHT

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No, that's definitely not what I said or meant. If Tongans decide to steal strawberries tomorrow, the police will definitely arrest more Tongans. This will make the life of other Tongans more difficult because they associate with those strawberry stealing Tongans. Racism is real and happens and has definitely happened too much. But if a society tries to heal itself from within, it might go a long ways.

Look at various ethnic groups all around the world who merely a few decades ago had nothing but are not doing quite well. Did they get better or the external environment improve? Maybe a combination of the two.
I'd say it's most likely a combination of the two. As for your first paragraph, society healing itself would require it to reflect on the hurt that was done in the past. That's what this thread is about, Republicans censoring Black history in the US, would be far more helpful to move forward and heal if we acknowledge our past and try to improve.
 

raildogg

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I'd say it's most likely a combination of the two. As for your first paragraph, society healing itself would require it to reflect on the hurt that was done in the past. That's what this thread is about, Republicans censoring Black history in the US, would be far more helpful to move forward and heal if we acknowledge our past and try to improve.
Yes, history needs to be factual and unaltered. Don't hide it. But you know what? Black history and all the past injustices are well known to a lot of people at this point. Especially the black community. Are you saying having more of that history being shown will do the black community more good? If that's the case, one could make an argument that every racial and ethnic group needs to really, really study their history because of any potential injustices that might have happened. And to seek justice for this injustices.
 

VashHT

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Yes, history needs to be factual and unaltered. Don't hide it. But you know what? Black history and all the past injustices are well known to a lot of people at this point. Especially the black community. Are you saying having more of that history being shown will do the black community more good? If that's the case, one could make an argument that every racial and ethnic group needs to really, really study their history because of any potential injustices that might have happened. And to seek justice for this injustices.
But it is being hidden, have you ever met someone who claims the Civil war wasn't about slavery? Because I still meet people like that and it's a blatant rewriting of history to make our country seem less racist. Not sure where you came up with the whole searching out every injustice and seeking justice for each one though, I simply said we can't learn from our past if we don't learn the truth.
 

sandorski

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No, that is not it. It's that opportunity is there. Some take it and others don't. Many people from all around the world come to America and thrive. Many of your startups and other businesses are minority owned.

Millions are lining up to have the chance to come to America. If racism was keeping so many people down, that would not happen. (This doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Don't be so extreme.)

You forgot the part where some are systemically oppressed.
 

ivwshane

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Hmm…where have we heard this restarted argument before; X is no longer needed because X worked. We don’t need to teach black history better because people already know about black history. Besides being complete bull shit and completely feels based, it’s horrible logic.

I don’t remember raildogg being this dumb, has he always been fucking retarded?
 

raildogg

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Did I say we don't need to teach black history?

Maybe you ought to learn reading comprehension there, professor.
 

raildogg

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But it is being hidden, have you ever met someone who claims the Civil war wasn't about slavery? Because I still meet people like that and it's a blatant rewriting of history to make our country seem less racist. Not sure where you came up with the whole searching out every injustice and seeking justice for each one though, I simply said we can't learn from our past if we don't learn the truth.
You are correct. Don't hide anything, show it. The Civil War can be about more than one thing though. Most things in life are not black and white, no pun intended. It could be economic interests that are intertwined with slave labor, etc. But that's a different topic for another day.

Learn from the past, acknowledge it and make things better than they were. Leave tribalism behind, in all its forms. Racism is a branch of tribalism.
 

Jaskalas

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Yeah, it’s super important that we get our descriptors right. We don’t want to mix up puritanicalism with comparisons to nazi behavior!

/s

God forbid we focus on what’s happening in this country and instead watch what we call people who are a direct threat to this democracy.

Wtf is wrong with you?

And all Muslims are Terrorists?
Yes, I think I understand your line of thinking.
Ironic that, once upon a time, people here challenged me to do better.
Now it is my turn to return the favor. I do not expect a similar result though. At the end of the day they are your enemy and you have your duty.
I wonder what will become of us. A nation that is now framed by lies and madness.
 

ivwshane

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And all Muslims are Terrorists?
Yes, I think I understand your line of thinking.
Ironic that, once upon a time, people here challenged me to do better.
Now it is my turn to return the favor. I do not expect a similar result though. At the end of the day they are your enemy and you have your duty.
I wonder what will become of us. A nation that is now framed by lies and madness.

Close but a better analogy would be, these aren’t terrorist, they are domestic terrorists, no wait, they are right wing domestic terrorists! No wait, let’s wait for more information and apply a better label while terrorists continue attacking.

Your point is a distinction without a difference. You excuse their behavior because you’ve been programmed to accept them at their word while the rest of us rely on their actions and results.
 

HomerJS

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Are they punished harsher or are they punished more because there's more cases involving them?

Or are you simply claiming that it's due to blatant racism that blacks are arrested more? There's gotta be more there besides race. Also, how many black officers are there? I would bet many. If this was as prevalent as you claim, why are they not quitting?
I'm going to create a thread with the second black woman given >5 years for voting when they thought they were qualified. In another thread I dared you to show me 1 white person given those kinds of sentences and those people committed fraud intentionally. Know what other parts of the CJS bears this out?

Pot possession convictions
Traffic stops/searches

I had a long term challenge when Obama was running for office. There were so many racist attacks on Obama just for being black. I challenged anyone to find one Democrat attack on McCain or Romey solely on the basis of them being white. That challenge went on for 10+ years and nobody could come up with even 1 instance.
 

hal2kilo

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So black people are lazy and it's their own fault they aren't more successful? Man that sounds kinda racist but you're the self proclaimed expert here.
Of course where he went to school, he was not taught that blacks weren't allowed to educate themselves. That would be CRT.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Yes, history needs to be factual and unaltered. Don't hide it. But you know what? Black history and all the past injustices are well known to a lot of people at this point. Especially the black community. Are you saying having more of that history being shown will do the black community more good? If that's the case, one could make an argument that every racial and ethnic group needs to really, really study their history because of any potential injustices that might have happened. And to seek justice for this injustices.
No, they are not well known. The Tulsa Race Massacre just had it's 100th anniversary. They asked 20 somethings on the street about it and most didn't know. They chose people recently removed from high school. Why didn't they know? Because Tulsa chose NOT to teach students in their city the worst mass killing in their cities history until 2005.

Now Republicans are reverting back to the times where black history isn't taught because it might upset their precious lilly white kids.
 

HomerJS

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Are they punished harsher or are they punished more because there's more cases involving them?

Or are you simply claiming that it's due to blatant racism that blacks are arrested more? There's gotta be more there besides race. Also, how many black officers are there? I would bet many. If this was as prevalent as you claim, why are they not quitting?
Try this...
KARE 11 Investigates: New data shows MPD searches Black drivers at 29 times the rate of whites after minor stops | kare11.com
 
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