Glen Youngkin wants to cancel a black Pultizer prize winning author from Virginia AP English

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HomerJS

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What information I find on this book, has absolutely nothing to do with race and subject matter. Rather, the opposition is entirely focused on the book's graphic descriptions.

Are you being honest if you ignore the actual complaints and the letter of the law(s) that they attempted to pass?
If you pretend this is solely about opposing the teaching of Black History? There is clear evidence that it is not about that.

The issue appears to be religious puritanical-ism, rather than Nazism. But if you are not going to hold an honest debate on the actual merits, then who is to say that they are wrong and you are correct? Calling every little thing Nazism does not bode well for your intentions. It is to stereotype every Conservative issue, the exact same thing they did towards Muslims and Terrorism following September 11th. Are you no better than them?


Banning and controversy
Beloved has been banned from five U.S. schools. Common reasons for censorship include bestiality, infanticide, sex, and violence.​
In 2007, twenty years after its 1987 publication, the novel was abruptly abandoned by an AP English class at Eastern High School in Louisville, Kentucky, at the order of the school's principal. The class had nearly reached the end of the book when a parent complained about language on page 13.[41]
In Virginia, Beloved was considered for removal from the Fairfax County senior English reading list due to a parent's 2017 complaint that "the book includes scenes of violent sex, including a gang rape, and was too graphic and extreme for teenagers".[42] Parental concern about Beloved's content inspired the Beloved Bill, legislation that would have required Virginia public schools to notify parents of any "sexually explicit content" and provide an alternative assignment if requested.[43] The bill was vetoed by Governor Terry McAuliffe. When McAuliffe ran again for the governor's office in 2021, a major event in the election was his statement during a debate that, "Yeah, I stopped the bill that—I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach." His opponent, Glenn Youngkin, seized on the remark, and produced a television commercial in which a parent recounted her effort to get the book banned. The commercial did not mention the title, author, or subject of the book, but focused on the "explicit material" in the unnamed work.[44][45]
Did you note this book was part of AP English? Topics taught in AP are already known to be more adult in nature. Also taking AP classes is optional. That makes their claim of sexually explicit material bogus. This is just part of their overall agenda to cancel that non-existent CRT and criminalizing of black history. Like in other red school districts I'm sure "To Kill A Mockingbird" will be on their hit list.
 
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hal2kilo

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What information I find on this book, has absolutely nothing to do with race and subject matter. Rather, the opposition is entirely focused on the book's graphic descriptions.

Are you being honest if you ignore the actual complaints and the letter of the law(s) that they attempted to pass?
If you pretend this is solely about opposing the teaching of Black History? There is clear evidence that it is not about that.

The issue appears to be religious puritanical-ism, rather than Nazism. But if you are not going to hold an honest debate on the actual merits, then who is to say that they are wrong and you are correct? Calling every little thing Nazism does not bode well for your intentions. It is to stereotype every Conservative issue, the exact same thing they did towards Muslims and Terrorism following September 11th. Are you no better than them?


Banning and controversy
Beloved has been banned from five U.S. schools. Common reasons for censorship include bestiality, infanticide, sex, and violence.​
In 2007, twenty years after its 1987 publication, the novel was abruptly abandoned by an AP English class at Eastern High School in Louisville, Kentucky, at the order of the school's principal. The class had nearly reached the end of the book when a parent complained about language on page 13.[41]
In Virginia, Beloved was considered for removal from the Fairfax County senior English reading list due to a parent's 2017 complaint that "the book includes scenes of violent sex, including a gang rape, and was too graphic and extreme for teenagers".[42] Parental concern about Beloved's content inspired the Beloved Bill, legislation that would have required Virginia public schools to notify parents of any "sexually explicit content" and provide an alternative assignment if requested.[43] The bill was vetoed by Governor Terry McAuliffe. When McAuliffe ran again for the governor's office in 2021, a major event in the election was his statement during a debate that, "Yeah, I stopped the bill that—I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach." His opponent, Glenn Youngkin, seized on the remark, and produced a television commercial in which a parent recounted her effort to get the book banned. The commercial did not mention the title, author, or subject of the book, but focused on the "explicit material" in the unnamed work.[44][45]
Is it alright to use terms like rolling in the hay? (Grapes Of Rath, John Steinbeck) Probably should be banned.
 

UNCjigga

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It's a graphically accurate description of living in slavery. It is only ever about race and history with these ghouls. If Ms Karen Whiteass has a problem with her little shitspawn having nightmares over what was happening to slaves, THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT.

These fucking bitches have no spine. They are incapable of empathy or even the smallest semblance of critical thought. Their inability to participate in modern society should never be given power to prevent everyone else from doing so--simply because their childish feelings are being hurt. Beloved is an absolutely essential entry to the American Literature cannon. It can't possibly be excluded in a curriculum that wants to consider itself relevant. That isn't at all debatable.

Fuck these assholes.

The same people complaining about this book should be surveyed and asked whether it’s appropriate to screen “Saving Private Ryan” in high school.

Edit: Shit, I just remembered watching both “Schindler’s List” and “Life is Beautiful” in high school back in the 90s. Did it wreck my brain? I guess once we’ve removed all the Black culture from schools is Jewish culture next?
 

zinfamous

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Doesn't he have a black lieutenant governor? Man, what a racist tho!

wait, you think he picks a running mate for lieutenant governor? Do you know how state elections work, or are you just the typical "pretending to understand how things work so I can always argue against them" type of illiterate republican?
 

HomerJS

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Glen Younkin canceling more black history in VA. As part of the tour of the Governor's mansion there was an historian who taught visitors about slavery. Since all those precious lily white students can't handle bad news about the facts concerning this countries history. No slavery no racism. Those dark people are complaining over nothing. He also harassed a minor in the process who had a nerve to object.
17-Year-Old Responds to 'Disgusting, Disturbing' Online Attack by Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin's Campaign (msn.com)
 

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Glen Younkin canceling more black history in VA. As part of the tour of the Governor's mansion there was an historian who taught visitors about slavery. Since all those precious lily white students can't handle bad news about the facts concerning this countries history. No slavery no racism. Those dark people are complaining over nothing. He also harassed a minor in the process who had a nerve to object.
17-Year-Old Responds to 'Disgusting, Disturbing' Online Attack by Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin's Campaign (msn.com)
Trump in sheep’s clothing...who could possibly have guessed.
 

HomerJS

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Trump in sheep’s clothing...who could possibly have guessed.
Someone in this thread tried to claim the canceling has nothing to do with black history but a crackdown on obscenity.

Who's buying that one based his latest action?
 

hal2kilo

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Glen Younkin canceling more black history in VA. As part of the tour of the Governor's mansion there was an historian who taught visitors about slavery. Since all those precious lily white students can't handle bad news about the facts concerning this countries history. No slavery no racism. Those dark people are complaining over nothing. He also harassed a minor in the process who had a nerve to object.
17-Year-Old Responds to 'Disgusting, Disturbing' Online Attack by Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin's Campaign (msn.com)
Wow, that would be like going to Mount Vernon and not getting a bunch of history about Washington owning slaves, and oh by the way, their graves. (Went while Trump was in office and half expected that this issue would have been covered back up.) I guess Trump didn't care, he was surprised what a shithole Mount Vernon actually was, when he went to see the first King of America's palace.
 
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raildogg

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Slave owners had blacks whipping other slaves. Man what a not racist tho!
Wait wait, so having a black lietenant governor is the equivalent to a slave master hiring a black to whip other blacks? Nice racism there.

She came from overseas, worked hard, got ahead. Why didn't she let racism keep her down? Racist lady. Should've let the white man keep her down, right buddy?

 

HomerJS

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Wait wait, so having a black lietenant governor is the equivalent to a slave master hiring a black to whip other blacks? Nice racism there.

She came from overseas, worked hard, got ahead. Why didn't she let racism keep her down? Racist lady. Should've let the white man keep her down, right buddy?

I didn't say that. My point was having a black person working for you does not prove one isn't racist. You know like your one black friend.....

However trying to cancel black history shows me you may be racist.
 

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Wait wait, so having a black lietenant governor is the equivalent to a slave master hiring a black to whip other blacks? Nice racism there.

She came from overseas, worked hard, got ahead. Why didn't she let racism keep her down? Racist lady. Should've let the white man keep her down, right buddy?

I see people are still going with, "A black person was elected to office so racism can't exist!"
 

raildogg

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I didn't say that. My point was having a black person working for you does not prove one isn't racist. You know like your one black friend.....
You chose quite an example, something quite extreme. And having a black friend or not having a black friend does not determine one's level of racism. That's very childish.
 

raildogg

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I see people are still going with, "A black person was elected to office so racism can't exist!"
No, that is not it. It's that opportunity is there. Some take it and others don't. Many people from all around the world come to America and thrive. Many of your startups and other businesses are minority owned.

Millions are lining up to have the chance to come to America. If racism was keeping so many people down, that would not happen. (This doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Don't be so extreme.)
 

VashHT

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No, that is not it. It's that opportunity is there. Some take it and others don't. Many people from all around the world come to America and thrive. Many of your startups and other businesses are minority owned.
So black people are lazy and it's their own fault they aren't more successful? Man that sounds kinda racist but you're the self proclaimed expert here.
 

HomerJS

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You chose quite an example, something quite extreme. And having a black friend or not having a black friend does not determine one's level of racism. That's very childish.
Racists often have a defense of "their one black friend"
 

HomerJS

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No, that is not it. It's that opportunity is there. Some take it and others don't. Many people from all around the world come to America and thrive. Many of your startups and other businesses are minority owned.

Millions are lining up to have the chance to come to America. If racism was keeping so many people down, that would not happen. (This doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Don't be so extreme.)
Saying some minorities own businesses doesn't change the fact black people as a norm are punished greater for the same crimes as white people.

Just because we have Oprah doesn't mean this country isn't racist.
 

raildogg

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So black people are lazy and it's their own fault they aren't more successful? Man that sounds kinda racist but you're the self proclaimed expert here.
You said that, not me. Muh racisms tho ... same dumbass argument. Get a new one.

Tell all those millions of Mexicans lining up at the border to not come here. America is racist. While your at it, tell the millions of Asians lining up to come and study here as well. They must not know how racist America is. VashHT certainly does.
 

raildogg

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Saying some minorities own businesses doesn't change the fact black people as a norm are punished greater for the same crimes as white people.

Just because we have Oprah doesn't mean this country isn't racist.
It makes your racism argument much weaker. Blacks are more succesful in America than anywhere else. Tell me where else are they more successful? The African American community has certainly not taken off like they should have. That is an issue they have to fix. There are opportunities and many are taking them. Yet, many are held back. Is it the system or something else?

So many African students studying in America. They are thriving. They are studying, working and sending money back home. Very happy to be here. They don't have time to cry racism. They say they are happy to be here, and appreciate everything America has to offer. No country is perfect, not even close.
 

VashHT

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You said that, not me. Muh racisms tho ... same dumbass argument. Get a new one.

Tell all those millions of Mexicans lining up at the border to not come here. America is racist. VashHT says so.
Lol you're hilarious man, it's all good though, I'm white so white people have no problem telling me how much they hate Mexicans and Black people until they find out I'm liberal. Kinda funny you call out my argument is being old, the whole "one Black person is successful so racism can't be real" and "why would Mexicans want to come here if we're racist" are both super old and long played out arguments.
 
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Lol you're hilarious man, it's all good though, I'm white so white people have no problem telling me how much they hate Mexicans and Black people until they find out I'm liberal. Kinda funny you call out my argument is being old, the whole "one Black person is successful so racism can't be real" and "why would Mexicans want to come here if we're racist" are both super old and long played out arguments.
Tell us, how do improve the African American community? Is it an internal problem or entirely external problem? Maybe a combination of both?

But yeah definitely, all these foreigners coming into America and doing well. That cannot be denied. Look at the stats. No need for anecdotal examples.
 

HomerJS

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It makes your racism argument much weaker. Blacks are more succesful in America than anywhere else. Tell me where else are they more successful? The African American community has certainly not taken off like they should have. That is an issue they have to fix. There are opportunities and many are taking them. Yet, many are held back. Is it the system or something else?

So many African students studying in America. They are thriving. They are studying, working and sending money back home. Very happy to be here. They don't have time to cry racism. They say they are happy to be here, and appreciate everything America has to offer. No country is perfect, not even close.
So exactly how does all that prove this country isn't racist vs my example?? Why are black people punished harsher for the same crimes as whites?