Glaring example of Trumptard total denial of reality and why it is impossible to reason with them.

[Jaskalas]

Why Education is Essential to Our Democracy

I think the issue speaks for itself. You just did not realize how horrific education was in America. Until you met people loud enough to express the depth of their ignorance.

 

[JSt0rm]

Which was what? Their butthurt over having their continuously self-serving hypocrisy exposed? Unfaithful husbands and wives on their 3rd and 4th marriages who blame LGBT for their own lack of sexual mores? People who shared memes of Michelle Obama depicted as a chimpanzee and got upset because someone called them a racist? Prosperity Christians who don't want anyone to see how they lie, cheat, and steal from the poor? Or the alt-right shitheads who falsely portray any criticism of themselves as an attack of their right to free speech so that they can suppress the free speech of their critics?
Because that's the shit that got Trump elected. He is their god. And you, their waterboy.

fucking owned

 

[JSt0rm]

Why Education is Essential to Our Democracy

I think the issue speaks for itself. You just did not realize how horrific education was in America. Until you met people loud enough to express the depth of their ignorance.

they attack education as the enemy. Its 20 years of fox news and weird am radio manifesting into what we have today.

 

[trenchfoot]

This was not a policy dispute. A Trump supporter complained about morality seemingly as a reason not to vote for Mayor Pete. I pointed out the irony in his statement. He didn't say "I don't care because Trump get judges and want to keep out Mexicans". He went into total denial of facts.

Assuming I'm part of the polarization who leans center left I have no problem acknowledging when someone on my "side" is wrong or I disagree on policy. I would also say that applies to almost everyone on this forum who leans left.

However the right will just go into denial of actual facts or they completely deflect. They don't seem capable of an actual debate on actually policy. This guy wanted to talk about morals but when I called him on Trump he didn't have the guts to say "I don't care". He went into complete denial.

You seem to understand them better then me. How to you deal with someone when there isn't even an agreement on basic fact? It's its Monday and he says it's Saturday how can any discussion move forward? Maybe you can explain it to me. Not trolling an actual question.

I've had too many similar incidents like yours when "discussing" politics with conservatives that I simply avoid the subject unless provoked. Then it's down the same road where when facts meet fiction, for some strange reason, fiction always seems to be much more "believable", either when "discussing" Trump's behavior or that of the folks who rose up against his efforts to create this strange convoluted dictatorial/dynastic form of gov't via deploying his totally unqualified arrogant children into positions of high gov't status so as to surreptitiously profit the family fortune from it all.

 

[Atreus21]

It is unclear to me as to why anyone thinks economics had to do with Trump’s election. It was the racism, stupid.

It’s not like people haven’t studied this, there’s lots of research out there. Economic anxiety predicted between little and none of someone’s propensity to switch to Trump. What did? Racial anxiety and fears of a loss of social status.

That’s what you focus on, not this economic anxiety nonsense.

Source that?

 

[soulcougher73]

I've given up trying to talk to Trumpers. They are brain dead morons, usually with low education, that can't be reasoned with. They run on emotions and fear. Not reason and logic.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Source that?

You missed it the last three or four hundred times links for this have been posted in various threads since the election?

 

[Meghan54]

You missed it the last three or four hundred times links for this have been posted in various threads since the election?

Of course he didn't, but it's a nice diversion from actually having to discuss with facts.

 

[sportage]

I actually went to a Trump rally.
I just had to see for myself.
I had to look those people in the face in hopes of discovering SOME REASON why they would so willingly join and follow a Donald Trump cult.
Well... that rally didn't help my understanding.
I still can not understand any of them at all....

I've mentioned before that I am surrounded by Donald Trumpies within my own family.
SURROUNDED BY!
I love watching their reasonings twist and turn as their leader Donald Trump twists and turns.
NOW.... with all the Bill Barr shit coming down and with the Trump firings of good honest American patriots, my Trumpies revert back to their old stock reply, "THEY ARE ALL CROOKS", or... "THEY ALL DO IT".

Meaning, it's ok.
A president Hillary would be no different.
Every president is a scumbag.

So, they all seem to acknowledge that Trump is a worm, yet they gladly give that worm a free pass?
And I have to wonder, WHAT DO THEY WANT FROM TRUMP?
What is it that they expect Donald Trump will eventually do for them?
What are they so loyal and forgiving?
What the hell is going on in their mind?

I have a few clues.
Abortion ban. I really think they believe Trump will give them the US Supreme Court they need for the ban on abortion that they want.
THAT for one.

Another clue, while you wouldn't know it to look at them, my Trumpie family members are extremely bigoted.
Not so much openly, but I detect clues.
They hate Hispanics.. They hate Muslims. They despise Muslim women who wear a hijab in public. They hate people that do not speak english.
And, I really do not understand that......
Why and how did they become so bigoted?
It was like some hate locked deep within them suddenly exploded to the surface. Like in the movie ALIENS when the alien exploded out of John Hurt's stomach.
Was it Donald Trump? Was it some bad personal experience with some minority? Was it too much rightwing tv?
I do know that rightwing tv had a lot to do with it. My Trumpie nephew and his Trumpie family have Fox News running 24/7 in the background. SO that has to be part of it.

I don't know.
I just don't know.
My Trumpie family they are college educated, intelligent, highly religious and engaged. So... WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
I don't get it.
As for myself, I love diversity, I always have. I love differences. The most boring thing in the world I can think of would be a world full of everyone the same. A world full of fat old white people. Which is exactly the world my Trumpie family wants to live in.

 

[fskimospy]

Source that?

Sure.

Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety, Study Finds (Published 2018)

A new study suggests that the white, Christian and male voters who supported Donald J. Trump were driven by concerns over losing their privilege.

www.nytimes.com

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

There are lots of studies indicating this. In fact, I’m not aware of a single one that’s shown economics as a driving force. It’s really all just racism. Let’s be honest though, is that actually a surprising finding?

 

[kage69]

Which was what? Their butthurt over having their continuously self-serving hypocrisy exposed? Unfaithful husbands and wives on their 3rd and 4th marriages who blame LGBT for their own lack of sexual mores? People who shared memes of Michelle Obama depicted as a chimpanzee and got upset because someone called them a racist? Prosperity Christians who don't want anyone to see how they lie, cheat, and steal from the poor? Or the alt-right shitheads who falsely portray any criticism of themselves as an attack of their right to free speech so that they can suppress the free speech of their critics?
Because that's the shit that got Trump elected. He is their god. And you, their waterboy.

Vic why are you only wearing one shoe?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Im not concerned about you. Im concerned about the damage your broken white brain will cause to this country.

My brain is just fine. The damage that TDS and apparently racism has done to your brain is unfortunately permanent.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This was not a policy dispute. A Trump supporter complained about morality seemingly as a reason not to vote for Mayor Pete. I pointed out the irony in his statement. He didn't say "I don't care because Trump get judges and want to keep out Mexicans". He went into total denial of facts.

Hence my comment about inelasticity

Assuming I'm part of the polarization who leans center left I have no problem acknowledging when someone on my "side" is wrong or I disagree on policy. I would also say that applies to almost everyone on this forum who leans left.

You seem reasonable and genuine, like @Jhhnn and @fskimospy, even if I rarely agree with you, but your statement does not apply to a good number of left leaning posters on this forum.

However the right will just go into denial of actual facts or they completely deflect. They don't seem capable of an actual debate on actually policy. This guy wanted to talk about morals but when I called him on Trump he didn't have the guts to say "I don't care". He went into complete denial.

This too is a function of elasticity.

You seem to understand them better then me. How to you deal with someone when there isn't even an agreement on basic fact? It's its Monday and he says it's Saturday how can any discussion move forward? Maybe you can explain it to me. Not trolling an actual question.

I can’t say I understand them, but I do empathize with them, and because of that, I acknowledge legitimate grievances behind the behavior. I also split Trump voters into two buckets. There are the red state evangelicals traditional conservatives, who I do not relate to at all. Blue state and rust belt working class union workers I very much relate to.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Which was what? Their butthurt over having their continuously self-serving hypocrisy exposed? Unfaithful husbands and wives on their 3rd and 4th marriages who blame LGBT for their own lack of sexual mores? People who shared memes of Michelle Obama depicted as a chimpanzee and got upset because someone called them a racist? Prosperity Christians who don't want anyone to see how they lie, cheat, and steal from the poor? Or the alt-right shitheads who falsely portray any criticism of themselves as an attack of their right to free speech so that they can suppress the free speech of their critics?
Because that's the shit that got Trump elected. He is their god. And you, their waterboy.

Ok, waterboy. As always, you pile straw beautifully.

 

[Starbuck1975]

fucking owned

nope

 

[jman19]

Im not concerned about you. Im concerned about the damage your broken white brain will cause to this country.

Does the brain need to be white to be broken?

 

[jman19]

Ok, waterboy. As always, you pile straw beautifully.

"I know you are but what am I?"

That's the summary of your argument.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can’t say I understand them, but I do empathize with them, and because of that, I acknowledge legitimate grievances behind the behavior. I also split Trump voters into two buckets. There are the red state evangelicals traditional conservatives, who I do not relate to at all. Blue state and rust belt working class union workers I very much relate to.

Trump convinced them that he was different, that he'd work for them. He lied, of course. It's what con artists do. He's just another over privileged mega rich Republican & all that comes with it. Some have already figured that out, I suspect.

 

[brandonbull]

You still don’t get it. The electorate is polarized and inelastic. Conservatives don’t care about Trump’s ethics because he is delivering on their political objectives.

Democrats have been so fixated on the persona of Trump, that they’ve completely lost focus on the dynamics that allowed him to win in the first place.

You mean doing something meaningful for the country and not for a small group of "intellectuals"?

 

[brandonbull]

they attack education as the enemy. Its 20 years of fox news and weird am radio manifesting into what we have today.

"Education" isn't being attacked, it's the "intellectuals" that fear their life's pursuits are being marginalized because they have not been involved in STEM. What better way to become relevant again than creating discord between groups and directing society's focus towards fringe ideas and ideology. Those "intellectuals" have pushed the narrative that if you don't attend college and embrace new ideologies, your worth to life and society is of low value and are ant education.

 

[brycejones]

You mean doing something meaningful for the country and not for a small group of "intellectuals"?

Lol

 

[Jhhnn]

"Education" isn't being attacked, it's the "intellectuals" that fear their life's pursuits are being marginalized because they have not been involved in STEM. What better way to become relevant again than creating discord between groups and directing society's focus towards fringe ideas and ideology. Those "intellectuals" have pushed the narrative that if you don't attend college and embrace new ideologies, your worth to life and society is of low value and are ant education.

Funny how I can tell you didn't even read the linked article...

 

[UberNeuman]

Funny how I can tell you didn't even read the linked article...

Well, hell man - why start now? lol. Makes it easier to bang that "but libs" drum.

 

[Victorian Gray]

"Education" isn't being attacked, it's the "intellectuals" that fear their life's pursuits are being marginalized because they have not been involved in STEM. What better way to become relevant again than creating discord between groups and directing society's focus towards fringe ideas and ideology. Those "intellectuals" have pushed the narrative that if you don't attend college and embrace new ideologies, your worth to life and society is of low value and are ant education.

Ah yes, the dirty intellectual. Always a favorite target of authoritarians of all stripes. Historically used to attack Jews as well. You're in good company with this particular bit of propaganda.

 

[HomerJS]

Source that?

Most of his campaign was based on white grievance.

Remember once he took office? Tell me with a straight face claiming a federal judge was incapable of going his job because he is Mexican isn't racist.