GK110 = Kepler-based Tesla K20 GPU, with up to 2,880 SPs, 7.1 Billion transistors!

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blastingcap

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GK110 will be in a video card at some point within the next year.

By which point HD8970 could be out, as well as a refresh of GTX680. I am in favor of NV specializing its chips instead of trying to make one-size-fits-all chips.
 

tviceman

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By which point HD8970 could be out, as well as a refresh of GTX680. I am in favor of NV specializing its chips instead of trying to make one-size-fits-all chips.

Me too. I was just letting the other guy know we are talking about the chip that will eventually be powering Nvidia's next generation flagship gaming GPU. All the fun is talking about what will be, not what is now. :D But anyways, Apoppin got confirmation from an Nvidia rep that Geforce powered GK110's will not be out until after Tesla based GK110's come out. So it's looking like Q1 of next year, and that gtx680 / gtx690 is likely as good as it's going to get from Nvidia this year.
 

blackened23

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By which point HD8970 could be out, as well as a refresh of GTX680. I am in favor of NV specializing its chips instead of trying to make one-size-fits-all chips.

Much better this way probably. Nvidia is very ambitious with their "top" designs, and Fermi was heavily delayed because of it. Since AIB makers depend on them for life, they did the sensible thing and created chips that could be released in a timely manner, ones that are consumer oriented.

Nothing wrong with that at all.
 

RussianSensation

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So it's looking like Q1 of next year, and that gtx680 / gtx690 is likely as good as it's going to get from Nvidia this year.

Agreed.

AMD's official slides show Sea Islands for 2013.

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Translation: AMD and NV will sell GTX670/680 / HD7970 for $400-500 for as long as they can. :D

On the NV side, their Tesla cards go for $2.5-3K. I think they'll gladly sell all GK110's they can before giving us the 780 for even $650. Until AMD puts pressure on NV, the only thing that would encourage NV to launch a 7B gaming chip is if they have excess Tesla parts.

This may explain chronic shortages of GTX690 too. K10 won't sell for less than $1.5K and I don't think the customers buying it will be hitting F5 F5 on Newegg to buy 1:

"...one is Tesla K10, based on dual-GK104 chips, which is to be devoted to high efficient computing in oil and gas exploration and defense industry."
 
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SolMiester

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The more astute forumers have been saying this for a long time. That gk104 was not the flagship, as should be obvious not only from the various leaks and GTX670Ti renaming cover-up, but by the design and lack of DP and memory bandwidth compared to the previous flagships.

I guess NV took a page out of AMD's playbook when it comes to gaming GPUs, but executed better: go small die, high efficiency, lose the HPC stuff, and put two on one PCB to combat the other side's monolithic GPU. Just like AMD did with HD4870/HD4870x2 vs. GTX280, and HD5870/HD5970 vs GTX480, and HD6970/HD6990 vs. GTX580.

The difference is that NV's top gaming GPU actually edges out AMD's top gaming GPU, i.e., 680>7970, whereas 4870<280, 5870<480, 6970<580.

The 480>5870 & the 580>6970 by all benchies I have seen!


When 28nm process becomes more mature, NV can probably get much better yields on massive GK110 GPUs, so it makes sense to wait. AMD is not really a threat in HPC and pro graphics so NV can afford to wait.

And I guess there is a market for HPC that does NOT require DP, hence the K10 launch.

FFY
 

Zebo

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All I care about is game performance thus GTX 680 is probably better for me. Seriously who cares about compute? 1%? And all you do is carry extra baggage and cost in power use and retail price with these monsters. As we see with Tahiti too.

Hopefully GK110 comes in gamers only form.
 

blastingcap

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Ooo, thats a bit clever...alrighty then!....you win!

This is not a matter of "winning" an argument. I don't like your implication. I was not misleading anyone in the way I wrote it. I said contrary to all the other examples, the smaller chip beat the big chip. I wrote the examples in order of big vs. small. You would only be confused if you though I was writing it as AMD vs. NVIDIA all the way across. But even then, you would know that 680 is not an AMD chip, and 7970 is not an NVIDIA chip.

Anyway this is a minor point, let's just drop it.
 

BallaTheFeared

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All I care about is game performance thus GTX 680 is probably better for me.

You must be confused, this has more better everything. :\

Performance would easily exceed the GTX 680 because it's really the GTX 680 you paid $500 for but got a $250 placeholder instead. :thumbsup:
 

SolMiester

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This is not a matter of "winning" an argument. I don't like your implication. I was not misleading anyone in the way I wrote it. I said contrary to all the other examples, the smaller chip beat the big chip. I wrote the examples in order of big vs. small. You would only be confused if you though I was writing it as AMD vs. NVIDIA all the way across. But even then, you would know that 680 is not an AMD chip, and 7970 is not an NVIDIA chip.

Anyway this is a minor point, let's just drop it.
Settle down lad, no one said you were misleading anyone, I read you post but didn't clearly read the direction of the greater than signs.....sometimes I think I'm dislextic....their is no argument.
 

Lonbjerg

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I bet NVIDIA is very happy now.
They make highend margin on their midrange GPU...so they will proberly make a killing on GK110.

And another fact is that NVIDIA's 294 mm² die is taking AMD's 378 mm² to school.
That will show up alter on the finacial results ;)

I look forward to Big K...and I don't wan't to sidegrade into midrange GPU territory, so GK104 is not for me.
 

Jaydip

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Lon i honestly doubt BigK will be more affordable than Gk104 ;) They will charge a premium for it.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Lon i honestly doubt BigK will be more affordable than Gk104 ;) They will charge a premium for it.

GK104 already has a 100% markup on their original price structure, I can't imagine the profit margins they're enjoying right now.. That must be why they have smiles from ear to ear every time you see them. They're even selling two for $1000 which is a huge markup over the 2win cards of previous mid-range 460/560ti cards. And a cut down die for $400, lol.
 

badb0y

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How come they said profit margins would be lower then?

TSMC is probably charging them nicely.
 

Jaydip

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gk104 already has a 100% markup on their original price structure, i can't imagine the profit margins they're enjoying right now.. that must be why they have smiles from ear to ear every time you see them. They're even selling two for $1000 which is a huge markup over the 2win cards of previous mid-range 460/560ti cards. And a cut down die for $400, lol.

lol :d
 

boxleitnerb

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I'm a bit disappointed. I had hoped for GK110 Geforce to come this year. But I guess it's only logical. And what would Nvidia bring next year then, they would not have anything.
 

Grooveriding

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I'm a bit disappointed. I had hoped for GK110 Geforce to come this year. But I guess it's only logical. And what would Nvidia bring next year then, they would not have anything.

I was expecting a fall/winter release, but I guess next year it is.

Pricing will probably bring us back to 8800GTX/ULTRA days. I'm expecting the geforce version to go for at least $649. They've set the stage for it, they'll take advantage of it.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Is it still fair to call it a video card when the primary purpose is evidently no longer providing video output?
 

3DVagabond

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By which point HD8970 could be out, as well as a refresh of GTX680. I am in favor of NV specializing its chips instead of trying to make one-size-fits-all chips.

Whether or not they sell them in the consumer space depends on how much each GPU costs to manufacture and if they can make enough of them.

They aren't going to cut the professional market short of supply for obvious reasons. If they can produce them with high yields so the cost is low enough to make a profit in the consumer market, they will. They don't need to make huge profits for it to be worthwhile from a business perspective. They aren't just going to turn away that money.

AMD, of course has to push them. If they can continue to sell GK104 for $400 and make more profit than selling GK110 at $600, for example, they'll just continue to sell their smaller chip at high margins.
 

AtenRa

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2012 = worst gamer GPU released year

GK110 is what every enthusiast was waiting from NV, well it seams we'll have to wait until next year.
 

Goatsecks

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GK104 already has a 100% markup on their original price structure, I can't imagine the profit margins they're enjoying right now.. That must be why they have smiles from ear to ear every time you see them. They're even selling two for $1000 which is a huge markup over the 2win cards of previous mid-range 460/560ti cards. And a cut down die for $400, lol.

I am speculating, but (aside from enjoying the huge markup) are the prices not also tied too the availability of the cards? If they were being produced in larger quantities would they not be enticed to sell them a bit cheaper?

The most disappointing things about the round of cards from both companies as the ridiculous pricing. =[