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Give me real-life examples of GOOD things religions have done

Gives people something to believe in

It is a form of societal control (not sure if this is good or bad)

It was a good way to educate poor uneducated people in the past (and sometimes present)

 
You guys really can't do any better than that? How about the fact that most churches run local charities that give food and clothing to people.
 
They can make people feel better about themselves.

Leaves an entity as a source of blame instead of ourselves for the wrongs in the world (good thing for some people).
 
It gives some commonality between people who would otherwise have nothing to do with each other.....creates sympathy (and, conversely, creates war for the same reasons).
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You guys really can't do any better than that? How about the fact that most churches run local charities that give food and clothing to people.
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The churches are merely acting like the government welfare office, distributing money. The charities are supported by the PEOPLE, not the churches themselves. How much more money would be flowing into those charities if the churches were not siphoning off money for stained glass, gold fixtures and out-of-court settlements for pedophile priests?
 
Originally posted by: edro13
A social center, by creating morals.
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Yes, religion was one of the things that allowed civilization to exist.



I'd also say that most charitable organizations are based around some faith.


<--atheist
 
Gives the crazy lady who works at the convenience store and smells like she hasn't wiped in 5 days something to rant about to any and all customers.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You guys really can't do any better than that? How about the fact that most churches run local charities that give food and clothing to people.
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The churches are merely acting like the government welfare office, distributing money. The charities are supported by the PEOPLE, not the churches themselves. How much more money would be flowing into those charities if the churches were not siphoning off money for stained glass, gold fixtures and out-of-court settlements for pedophile priests?
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I know people who tithe 10% to their church. I know nobody who spends 10% of their income on a charity.
 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the ignorance and lack of knowledge in this thread. I do, however, salute all the pubescent haters who don't have the faintest idea what life is all about.

:beer: to you all. May your hate and cynicism serve you well throughout your lives. You will need them because they will be all you will have to fall back on when times get rough. 😀
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
art, music, and culture. 'nuff said.
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You are right howeverm historically, the church has also done alot to inhibit the progression of art and music....and subsequently culture.

Taoism, as an example, has definitely provided much in the way of art and the appreciation of simplicity.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You guys really can't do any better than that? How about the fact that most churches run local charities that give food and clothing to people.
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The churches are merely acting like the government welfare office, distributing money. The charities are supported by the PEOPLE, not the churches themselves. How much more money would be flowing into those charities if the churches were not siphoning off money for stained glass, gold fixtures and out-of-court settlements for pedophile priests?
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Yeah, but all of those people give their money willingly and freely, so you don't have it taken out of your paycheck like government welfare.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You guys really can't do any better than that? How about the fact that most churches run local charities that give food and clothing to people.
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The churches are merely acting like the government welfare office, distributing money. The charities are supported by the PEOPLE, not the churches themselves. How much more money would be flowing into those charities if the churches were not siphoning off money for stained glass, gold fixtures and out-of-court settlements for pedophile priests?
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I know people who tithe 10% to their church. I know nobody who spends 10% of their income on a charity.
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And why are you making the false assumption that churches that encourage tithing are turning around and using all that money for charity? Sure, some of it goes back out the door, but a large chunk of it goes for the church expenses. If that person doing the tithing just gave 10% of their salary to the charities themselves the charities would be getting more money. The church is nothing more than a middleman, taking money in one end and sending it back out the other while keeping a huge chunk for themselves. Can you dispute that?
 
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: loki8481
art, music, and culture. 'nuff said.
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Yes and no. Historically, the church has also done alot to inhibit the progression of art and music....and subsequently culture.
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and at the same time, they also sponsored a lot of it.

I question whether Guttenberg would have invented the printing press without the bible.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You guys really can't do any better than that? How about the fact that most churches run local charities that give food and clothing to people.
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The churches are merely acting like the government welfare office, distributing money. The charities are supported by the PEOPLE, not the churches themselves. How much more money would be flowing into those charities if the churches were not siphoning off money for stained glass, gold fixtures and out-of-court settlements for pedophile priests?
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I know people who tithe 10% to their church. I know nobody who spends 10% of their income on a charity.
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And why are you making the false assumption that churches that encourage tithing are turning around and using all that money for charity? Sure, some of it goes back out the door, but a large chunk of it goes for the church expenses. If that person doing the tithing just gave 10% of their salary to the charities themselves the charities would be getting more money. The church is nothing more than a middleman, taking money in one end and sending it back out the other while keeping a huge chunk for themselves. Can you dispute that?
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If you want to hate the church there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. The church is a middle man? Of course it is. You don't think that unicef is a middle man? Every charity is a middleman, some worse than others. BTW I made no assumption about churches and using it all for charity. Can you dispute that?
 
BAWHAHAHAHAH!

My thread has exploded while the other one languishes in mediocrity. Take that 1950s America!
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: loki8481
art, music, and culture. 'nuff said.
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Yes and no. Historically, the church has also done alot to inhibit the progression of art and music....and subsequently culture.
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and at the same time, they also sponsored a lot of it.

I question whether Guttenberg would have invented the printing press without the bible.
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He may not have, I'm not arguing with you. I was more or less referring to the "dark ages".

Certainly the Pope's request for Michealangelo to the paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel resulted in beautiful art. And the whole taoist example from my edit of my post.
 
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