Give me entirely Passive Advice

[aigomorla]

I thought it might be a fun project. To completely passive everything.

So i need advice on what case parts to get.

So here is where all you super quiet freeks are needed.

so here is the general hardware i will be working with.


CPU: my old X2 Toledo. It will NOT be OC'd as i dont neeed it to OC on a NAS
Board: DFI SLI-DR <--- my old board that had a cold bug. Reciently Fixed
- notes: i have the HR-05 SLI ordered. I plan to install that on my NB.

Current case is the STacker. But i can change the case provided budget wont run me more then 150 dollars.

PSU: Antec Neo 550 <--- its listed as class 8 on SPCR's quiet catigory.
Hard drives: Heres where it gets messy

3 x 750 seagate
2 x 500 seagates <-- raid 0
1 x 80 Maxtor <-- main boot files and such.

I have a min of 6 drives and 1 optical. I plan to install a 7th and possibly 8th drive in the future.

And yes i collect a lot of porn.. err i mean... movies... yeah....

 

[tylerdustin2008]

And yes i collect a lot of porn.. err i mean... movies... yeah....

LMAO

Anyway, try this.

http://store.orbitmicro.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=5524

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
And yes i collect a lot of porn.. err i mean... movies... yeah....

LMAO

Anyway, try this.

http://store.orbitmicro.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=5524

heh... will that work?? it looks like a big chunk of cooper with thin fins down the middle.

I was thinkn maybe the a scyth ninja would be better? i was thinking about the ultra-120, but i think i need a fan for that...

The infamous Butterfly HSF!

i hear these arent that bad at passive cooling either. Anyone else know?

More suggestions please


Im willing to maybe spend 300 on hardware parts for this passive system. Maybe even more if the parts are truely "worth it" so any advice is welcomed.

 

[Howard]

Scythe Ninja is the only way to go for CPU cooling. What video card do you have?

 

[dampeal]

Noctua....

NH-U9F Cpu cooler, can be used without fan.. but the fan can be run on low power with only 7dB.. essentially silent running.....

NC-U6 chipset cooler does not have fan...

and actually their fans are so quiet that it's like running passive..

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: dampeal
Noctua....

NH-U9F Cpu cooler, can be used without fan.. but the fan can be run on low power with only 7dB..

Do... you... really... believe... that?

 

[dampeal]

umm... yes.... I.... do..


I own it......:roll:

 

[Shadowknight]

If it's not too late, replace the Neo with a Seasonic; despite the latest revision, people on SPCR have reported issues with that series in the Consumer Advocacy forum.

You didn't list the video card, but personally I use a Zalman heatpipe cooler and use an undervolted 92mm Nexus to cool it off. With the case closed, it IS silent. I used some screws for the groove, where the official "optional" fan is supposed to go to put my fan on there, as I hate using extra fan brackets. Anyway, look in my signature for my system setup.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
I thought it might be a fun project. To completely passive everything.

So i need advice on what case parts to get.

So here is where all you super quiet freeks are needed.

so here is the general hardware i will be working with.


CPU: my old X2 Toledo. It will NOT be OC'd as i dont neeed it to OC on a NAS
Board: DFI SLI-DR <--- my old board that had a cold bug. Reciently Fixed
- notes: i have the HR-05 SLI ordered. I plan to install that on my NB.

Current case is the STacker. But i can change the case provided budget wont run me more then 150 dollars.

PSU: Antec Neo 550 <--- its listed as class 8 on SPCR's quiet catigory.
Hard drives: Heres where it gets messy

3 x 750 seagate
2 x 500 seagates <-- raid 0
1 x 80 Maxtor <-- main boot files and such.

I have a min of 6 drives and 1 optical. I plan to install a 7th and possibly 8th drive in the future.

And yes i collect a lot of porn.. err i mean... movies... yeah....

Scythe Ninja was originally designed for passive cooling...the butterfly might be ok...

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: dampeal
umm... yes.... I.... do..


I own it......:roll:

OK... how... did... you... test... for... 7dB?

 

[dampeal]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: dampeal
umm... yes.... I.... do..


I own it......:roll:

OK... how... did... you... test... for... 7dB?

I didn't actually test it..

What reason would they have to lie?

Wait, let me guess.. Every company lies, they are all just bad.. down with the corporations!!!

Besides, knowing the quality and performance of their products I would have no reason not to believe them, and having first hand knowledge of it, I can tell you right now it is silent running...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dampeal

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: dampeal
umm... yes.... I.... do..


I own it......:roll:

OK... how... did... you... test... for... 7dB?

I didn't actually test it..

What reason would they have to lie?

Wait, let me guess.. Every company lies, they are all just bad.. down with the corporations!!!

Besides, knowing the quality and performance of their products I would have no reason not to believe them, and having first hand knowledge of it, I can tell you right now it is silent running...

He is refering to the companies FUD....
http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2006/...h-u9f-cpu-cooler-introduced-by-noctua/

The 92mm fan that is deployed in Noctua?s NH-U9F CPU cooler uses Noctua?s magnetically centered and self-lubricating oil-pressure bearing (SSO-Bearing) and also has a maximum airflow of 58m³/h. Due to the supplied Ultra-Low-Noise adaptor, the noise levels can be lowered to just 7dB. Thus, the NHU-F CPU cooler is perfect for those systems that demand high=performance cooling and ultra-low-noise operation.


http://www.silentpcreview.com/article295-page1.html

Nowhere in that review by SPCR did it even come close to the 7dba which is claimed on the noctua site......

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dampeal

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: dampeal
umm... yes.... I.... do..


I own it......:roll:

OK... how... did... you... test... for... 7dB?

I didn't actually test it..

What reason would they have to lie?

Wait, let me guess.. Every company lies, they are all just bad.. down with the corporations!!!

Besides, knowing the quality and performance of their products I would have no reason not to believe them, and having first hand knowledge of it, I can tell you right now it is silent running...

He is refering to the companies FUD

Not FUD, just lies. FUD is Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Howard
Scythe Ninja is the only way to go for CPU cooling. What video card do you have?

a cheapo Nvidia 6200tc. its already passive, and NAS doesnt need anything more then that. :T

 

[Zap]

My system that I'm typing this on is an x2 3800+ overclocked to 2.4GHz using a Scythe Ninja. It is in an Antec Solo case. I originally had only an undervolted Yate Loon 120mm in back, and have since added dual undervolted 92mm Evercool "Green" fans to the front. It wasn't needed for cooling, but I wanted to relieve some of the negative air pressure to take better advantage of the front fan filter (at least in theory). My video card is a stock speed 7900GS with a dual heatpipe cooler from Evercool. No fans on CPU or video card. PSU is a Fortron FSP400-60GLN. Basically I was running it for a while with only the 120mm fan in the PSU and the undervolted 120mm Yate Loon. It was "silent" meaning when sitting at my desk I could not hear it running with it pretty much against my right leg underneath my desk. If I put my ear to withinaround 1' of the case, I could barely hear it running.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Zap
My system that I'm typing this on is an x2 3800+ overclocked to 2.4GHz using a Scythe Ninja. It is in an Antec Solo case. I originally had only an undervolted Yate Loon 120mm in back, and have since added dual undervolted 92mm Evercool "Green" fans to the front. It wasn't needed for cooling, but I wanted to relieve some of the negative air pressure to take better advantage of the front fan filter (at least in theory). My video card is a stock speed 7900GS with a dual heatpipe cooler from Evercool. No fans on CPU or video card. PSU is a Fortron FSP400-60GLN. Basically I was running it for a while with only the 120mm fan in the PSU and the undervolted 120mm Yate Loon. It was "silent" meaning when sitting at my desk I could not hear it running with it pretty much against my right leg underneath my desk. If I put my ear to withinaround 1' of the case, I could barely hear it running.

ahhhh... so your saying i could get away with the scythe ninja?

Anyhow for fun i wanted to see how low i could downvolt her on stock settings. I manged to have boot up and orthos 3 hour stable at 1.19V

I dont intend to OC her because she is a NAS. I want something completely passive because, i never built a passive system b4.

Of Course i'll do a log post because i dont think anyone has shown off a passive system in case and cooling b4.


Anyhow still need advice on the cooling method. So far i think im going with a scythe, I think a completely fanless solution might not be completely possible, so i think i'll put a yate or a noctuna in the rear 120. But i dont want any other fan besides that.


Anyone use a Zalman heat pipe hard drive cooler? i was kinda interested in that as well.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
ahhhh... so your saying i could get away with the scythe ninja?

The Ninja can be used without a fan... but it needs some airflow to function. It just needs less than pretty much any other heatsink. My 120mm temp controlled fan in the PSU and 120mm undervolted Yate Loon exhaust fan in the rear together move enough air to keep the CPU very happy, even overclocked. If all fans (including PSU) were disconnected, CPU would probably throttle/lock.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
And yes i collect a lot of porn.. err i mean... movies... yeah....

LMAO

Anyway, try this.

http://store.orbitmicro.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=5524

heh... will that work?? it looks like a big chunk of cooper with thin fins down the middle.

I was thinkn maybe the a scyth ninja would be better? i was thinking about the ultra-120, but i think i need a fan for that...

The infamous Butterfly HSF!

i hear these arent that bad at passive cooling either. Anyone else know?

More suggestions please


Im willing to maybe spend 300 on hardware parts for this passive system. Maybe even more if the parts are truely "worth it" so any advice is welcomed.

Those things aren't really passive. They merely dont have a fan *on* the heatsink. Instead, the rely on the natural wind tunnel effect provided by 1 and 2U chassis along with the 6 or so 12000rpm screamer 40mm fans to provide the airflow necessary to keep it cool.

EDIT: I should also mention that this is the same premise of nearly all "passive" heatsinks. No heatsink including the Ninja has the capability of cooling a modern dual core processor in a zero stimulated airflow environment. Natural air currents aren't enough. All are designed around the expectance that you'll have a case fan forcing air to be sucked through the fans. Unless you use a Zalman heat transfer case, There is no way youll will be able to build a completely passive system. Too much heat buildup from the vid card, HDs, chipset, and CPU will just be too much heat that is not going anywhere.

 

[aigomorla]

bah, the more and more this thread keeps going, the more and more im inclined to keep my h2o system in it.

Dont get me wrong, the H2o system i have in there is really efficient, not to mention quiet. I just found out that i would have a little extra time after my state licensing tests and i wanted to work on my hobby b4 i start work.

I just felt that this would be "fun". I dont really need a super efficient system. I have my QX for that, i just wanted something i could play with and see if it was entirely passive. Maybe i should just play with TEC's on it instead.

But so far, if im going to be needing more then 1 fan, i dont know if i want to continue with this project because im not really building anything special. Im just rebuilding my NAS on air, and thats really not so much fun. :\

 

[thecoolnessrune]

go with the ThermalRight HR-01 and run the duct to your rear case fan.

the ThermalRight HR-05 to cool the chipset.

A Seasonic PSU to keep the noise down.

and a Zalman ZM-2 for as many harddrives you have

Your temps will be high, but when coupled with a Nexus fan for the Exhaust im fairly sure the loudest thing in your system will be your HDs, though the Zalman will quiet that as well. There should be enough air generated by the fan to keep a current going to keep heat moving away from all the sinks.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
go with the ThermalRight HR-01 and run the duct to your rear case fan.

the ThermalRight HR-05 to cool the chipset.

A Seasonic PSU to keep the noise down.

and a Zalman ZM-2 for as many harddrives you have

Your temps will be high, but when coupled with a Nexus fan for the Exhaust im fairly sure the loudest thing in your system will be your HDs, though the Zalman will quiet that as well. There should be enough air generated by the fan to keep a current going to keep heat moving away from all the sinks.

i was actually concidering using a noctuna fan as the rear exhaust. And using some form of duct to the scyth ninja. As i said i would like to keep the fan's to a minimum of 1. i dont see the other reason to change from water to passive, if it requires 2 fans. My radiator has 2 fans, and thats all the heat exchanger i need.


And as i have stated if its too hard to keeping a undervolted X2 passive, then blah... whats the point of air when watercooling kits are getting incredibly cheap now? I think i could build a DYO one for about 100 using heatercores and fish tank pumps. And yeah the most expensive part would be the CPU block. :\ It would be messy, but it would cool better then air.

But so far the list in parts seem to be getting close to watercooling. So omg, is passive really this expensive? :X

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Yep, you saw my thread a while back, thats why I wanted to go water. Getting the thing quiet enough is terribly expensive when I could have both performance AND silence by going water.

BTW, The Ninja is better with a fan. But in a completely passive environment, or an area with very little airflow, such as your situation, the Ultra 120 tends to do better. Thats why I recommended it.