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If not I will be ordering it before the night is over.
If not I will be ordering it before the night is over.
Give me a reason NOT to buy this Lite-on CDRW right now.
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Buy it!
i got a 32x write and it works like a charm!!
plextor cost much more than Liteon....
40x will NOT be much faster (i'd say 10%) since they use Zone (sp) writing, which it starts writing at 20x+ and gradually go up...
so it may be the last 250mb of data that will be written at 40x...
i got a 32x write and it works like a charm!!
plextor cost much more than Liteon....
40x will NOT be much faster (i'd say 10%) since they use Zone (sp) writing, which it starts writing at 20x+ and gradually go up...
so it may be the last 250mb of data that will be written at 40x...
crossfire0301 please do not post this in here i do not want to hear this. I hate it. Ekkkkkkk. Thank you.
<< http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=5&manufactory=1336&DEPA=1
If not I will be ordering it before the night is over. >>
I'll avoid mentioning the reliability issues, since you're doubtless aware of them. I avoid Lite-on due the fact that it only has a 2mb cache buffer, high seek times, and generally substandard performance in comparison to market leaders like Yamaha, Plextor, Teac, AOpen, and Sanyo. See CD-R info for more if you doubt me. You can buy Plextor's new 40x drive for $165 from some places now.
Well, for one, you can get the 24X lite-on which is about 90% as fast in an I/O Magic box for about half that price after coupons and rebates at Office Max. Check the Hot Deals forum.
Nack
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Daovonnaex - yes you're probably right, but still, for what you get these drives at, and for the performance they deliver, they're every bit just as worthy as any of the other manufacturers out there...
That's my opinion... so far I've found no problems whatsoever with my Lite-On 24x burner... burns what I want, reads everything, and does it all how I want it to, which is all I ask out of my equipment.
That's my opinion... so far I've found no problems whatsoever with my Lite-On 24x burner... burns what I want, reads everything, and does it all how I want it to, which is all I ask out of my equipment.
<< Daovonnaex - yes you're probably right, but still, for what you get these drives at, and for the performance they deliver, they're every bit just as worthy as any of the other manufacturers out there... >>
I disagree. Then again, I also use SCSI hard disks, which I think are a good choice, but most people disagree...
Tough person to please eh? 
Unfortunately I haven't gotten enough time to play with scsi drives, nor have I ever owned a plextor, so I guess I can't vouch for that...
For me though, I'm not a real benchmark kind of person, as long as it does what I want it to do, and works like it's supposed to, I don't mind
Unfortunately I haven't gotten enough time to play with scsi drives, nor have I ever owned a plextor, so I guess I can't vouch for that...
For me though, I'm not a real benchmark kind of person, as long as it does what I want it to do, and works like it's supposed to, I don't mind
<< Tough person to please eh?
Unfortunately I haven't gotten enough time to play with scsi drives, nor have I ever owned a plextor, so I guess I can't vouch for that...
For me though, I'm not a real benchmark kind of person, as long as it does what I want it to do, and works like it's supposed to, I don't mind
>>You sound like a candidate for a Pentium III.
"I'll avoid mentioning the reliability issues, since you're doubtless aware of them. I avoid Lite-on due the fact that it only has a 2mb cache buffer, high seek times, and generally substandard performance in comparison to market leaders like Yamaha, Plextor, Teac, AOpen, and Sanyo. See CD-R info for more if you doubt me. You can buy Plextor's new 40x drive for $165 from some places now."
Ahhh...more FUD...let's pick apart the incorrect parts of your statement one by one shall we?
"I avoid Lite-on due the fact that it only has a 2mb cache buffer"
Hmmm..seems to me until the 24X and above models, Plextor used the same 2mb of cache as other models. Almost all 24X and up burners use a 2mb buffer. The buffer size is not very important with burn-proof and similar technologies. Let's look at the "market leaders" you mentioned..
Aopen 24X - 2mb Buffer
Teac 24X - 2mb Buffer
Sanyo 24X -2mb Buffer
Lite-On - 2mb Buffer
The Plextor with 4mb and the Yamaha with 8mb are the only exceptions.
"high seek times"
Hmm.. If you look at this review of the Plextor 24X from the very CDR-Info site you mentioned, the Plextor comes in last place with an average seek time of 155ms while the Lite-On is first with a 90ms seek time. The Sanyo and TDK models come in second and third.
"and generally substandard performance in comparison to market leaders like Yamaha, Plextor, Teac, AOpen, and Sanyo. See CD-R info for more if you doubt me. You can buy Plextor's new 40x drive for $165 from some places now."
Hmm.. If we look at the review of the Lite-On 24X, you will see that it is one of the highest performing 24X CDRW's on the market..and even the supposed "king" of the 24X drives, the Plextor, loses as well as wins some tests when compared to the Lite-On. Essentially the difference is performance between the two is very little. CDR-Info also made these comments at the end of their review of the Lite-On..
"LiteOn's attempt at the 24x writing speed is much more than satisfactory. The LTR-24102B seems to be the faster recorder, for now, and managed to outperform both Sanyo and TDK 24x drives in many reading/writing tests. The drive's overall performance was very good and -for sure- users will enjoy both 20x and 24x writing speeds. Other important features such as: support for SD2 protected discs, overburning (up to 99min) and reading/writing SubChannel data are present."
Another thing to keep in mind is Lite-On has been in the optical drive business for over 20 years, and have just recently moved into the retail market. Their drives have been used by OEM's for a good many years, and I think you will agree that drives that die easily or don't last won't get much support in the OEM sector. Your personal preference is fine, but before you spread misinformation, you might want to read up on your facts...
Ahhh...more FUD...let's pick apart the incorrect parts of your statement one by one shall we?
"I avoid Lite-on due the fact that it only has a 2mb cache buffer"
Hmmm..seems to me until the 24X and above models, Plextor used the same 2mb of cache as other models. Almost all 24X and up burners use a 2mb buffer. The buffer size is not very important with burn-proof and similar technologies. Let's look at the "market leaders" you mentioned..
Aopen 24X - 2mb Buffer
Teac 24X - 2mb Buffer
Sanyo 24X -2mb Buffer
Lite-On - 2mb Buffer
The Plextor with 4mb and the Yamaha with 8mb are the only exceptions.
"high seek times"
Hmm.. If you look at this review of the Plextor 24X from the very CDR-Info site you mentioned, the Plextor comes in last place with an average seek time of 155ms while the Lite-On is first with a 90ms seek time. The Sanyo and TDK models come in second and third.
"and generally substandard performance in comparison to market leaders like Yamaha, Plextor, Teac, AOpen, and Sanyo. See CD-R info for more if you doubt me. You can buy Plextor's new 40x drive for $165 from some places now."
Hmm.. If we look at the review of the Lite-On 24X, you will see that it is one of the highest performing 24X CDRW's on the market..and even the supposed "king" of the 24X drives, the Plextor, loses as well as wins some tests when compared to the Lite-On. Essentially the difference is performance between the two is very little. CDR-Info also made these comments at the end of their review of the Lite-On..
"LiteOn's attempt at the 24x writing speed is much more than satisfactory. The LTR-24102B seems to be the faster recorder, for now, and managed to outperform both Sanyo and TDK 24x drives in many reading/writing tests. The drive's overall performance was very good and -for sure- users will enjoy both 20x and 24x writing speeds. Other important features such as: support for SD2 protected discs, overburning (up to 99min) and reading/writing SubChannel data are present."
Another thing to keep in mind is Lite-On has been in the optical drive business for over 20 years, and have just recently moved into the retail market. Their drives have been used by OEM's for a good many years, and I think you will agree that drives that die easily or don't last won't get much support in the OEM sector. Your personal preference is fine, but before you spread misinformation, you might want to read up on your facts...
I am hearing and reading good things about the LG CD-RW's 24X and up with the 8MB buffers ...............
Think I'll give one a try next time ...............
Think I'll give one a try next time ...............
"I avoid Lite-on due the fact that it only has a 2mb cache buffer"
<< Hmmm..seems to me until the 24X and above models, Plextor used the same 2mb of cache as other models. Almost all 24X and up burners use a 2mb buffer. The buffer size is not very important with burn-proof and similar technologies. Let's look at the "market leaders" you mentioned..
Aopen 24X - 2mb Buffer
Teac 24X - 2mb Buffer
Sanyo 24X -2mb Buffer
Lite-On - 2mb Buffer
The Plextor with 4mb and the Yamaha with 8mb are the only exceptions. >>
Your point? I usually tend to avoid drives with 2mb caches, period.
<< "high seek times"
Hmm.. If you look at this review of the Plextor 24X from the very CDR-Info site you mentioned, the Plextor comes in last place with an average seek time of 155ms while the Lite-On is first with a 90ms seek time. The Sanyo and TDK models come in second and third. >>
Very good, actually. Thanks for correcting me, though the Teac still beats it with around 80ms seek (source: Tom's). I'll be more careful about throwing around crap about Lite-on's seek times in the future. Plextor's 40x has better seek times (view the graph here: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Sources/PleXWriter PX-W4012A CD-RW/Images/data-cdspeed1.gif), but still not as good as Lite-on (though the AOpen seems to have a slight advantage). Anyhow, the point is conceded--I stand corrected.
"and generally substandard performance in comparison to market leaders like Yamaha, Plextor, Teac, AOpen, and Sanyo. See CD-R info for more if you doubt me. You can buy Plextor's new 40x drive for $165 from some places now."
<< Hmm.. If we look at the review of the Lite-On 24X, you will see that it is one of the highest performing 24X CDRW's on the market..and even the supposed "king" of the 24X drives, the Plextor, loses as well as wins some tests when compared to the Lite-On. Essentially the difference is performance between the two is very little. CDR-Info also made these comments at the end of their review of the Lite-On.. >>
My reference to market leaders was in deference to technology development, though Lite-on, in light of the new facts that you've enlightened me with, has outstanding performance. For king of 24x drives, I still believe that Yamaha would win with its P-CAV, but that's another matter. Again, I stand corrected.
<< Your personal preference is fine, but before you spread misinformation, you might want to read up on your facts... >>
I'll definitely make sure to do that. My prejudice against Lite-on developed as a result of an RMA issue I had, and I suppose that this became perverted into mistaken notions about the performance of the Lite-on drive. Anyhow, thank you for correcting me.
In deference to these new facts which I neglected to research myself, I advocate the purchase of the Lite-on drive, as the RMA issues have now largely been cleared up.
<< Hmmm..seems to me until the 24X and above models, Plextor used the same 2mb of cache as other models. Almost all 24X and up burners use a 2mb buffer. The buffer size is not very important with burn-proof and similar technologies. Let's look at the "market leaders" you mentioned..
Aopen 24X - 2mb Buffer
Teac 24X - 2mb Buffer
Sanyo 24X -2mb Buffer
Lite-On - 2mb Buffer
The Plextor with 4mb and the Yamaha with 8mb are the only exceptions. >>
Your point? I usually tend to avoid drives with 2mb caches, period.
<< "high seek times"
Hmm.. If you look at this review of the Plextor 24X from the very CDR-Info site you mentioned, the Plextor comes in last place with an average seek time of 155ms while the Lite-On is first with a 90ms seek time. The Sanyo and TDK models come in second and third. >>
Very good, actually. Thanks for correcting me, though the Teac still beats it with around 80ms seek (source: Tom's). I'll be more careful about throwing around crap about Lite-on's seek times in the future. Plextor's 40x has better seek times (view the graph here: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Sources/PleXWriter PX-W4012A CD-RW/Images/data-cdspeed1.gif), but still not as good as Lite-on (though the AOpen seems to have a slight advantage). Anyhow, the point is conceded--I stand corrected.
"and generally substandard performance in comparison to market leaders like Yamaha, Plextor, Teac, AOpen, and Sanyo. See CD-R info for more if you doubt me. You can buy Plextor's new 40x drive for $165 from some places now."
<< Hmm.. If we look at the review of the Lite-On 24X, you will see that it is one of the highest performing 24X CDRW's on the market..and even the supposed "king" of the 24X drives, the Plextor, loses as well as wins some tests when compared to the Lite-On. Essentially the difference is performance between the two is very little. CDR-Info also made these comments at the end of their review of the Lite-On.. >>
My reference to market leaders was in deference to technology development, though Lite-on, in light of the new facts that you've enlightened me with, has outstanding performance. For king of 24x drives, I still believe that Yamaha would win with its P-CAV, but that's another matter. Again, I stand corrected.
<< Your personal preference is fine, but before you spread misinformation, you might want to read up on your facts...
>>I'll definitely make sure to do that. My prejudice against Lite-on developed as a result of an RMA issue I had, and I suppose that this became perverted into mistaken notions about the performance of the Lite-on drive. Anyhow, thank you for correcting me.
In deference to these new facts which I neglected to research myself, I advocate the purchase of the Lite-on drive, as the RMA issues have now largely been cleared up.
I saw grab it!
I have owned a Plextor 8/4/32A and recently bought a black Lite-On 24/10/40 and and extremely pleased with the Lite-On.
There is absolutely NO reason to buy a Plextor drive anymore. Other drives on the market offer as much if not more functionality. My friend has a 24/10/40 Plextor, and I guarantee you that if the name one the drive was covered up, you could not tell the difference. Well, except that his wallet is about $70 lighter than mine.
If anything, my Lite-On is a faster drive than his(his seeks are about as slow my 8x Plextor), and it comes with MUCH BETTER software(Nero vs. Easy CD Creator).
Oh yea, cache size on a burner is a moot point. As long as you have Burnproof or an equivalent, it is only good for bragging rights and trying to justify spending twice as much money on a burner that is the exact same as a cheaper model. Not to mention it being obsolete at exactly the same time(in a few weeks).
Oh yea, for all you who bash Lite-Ons, have you ever had hands-on experience with one? I've had hands-on experience with a few Plextors, and I'm saying that there is no point in throwing your money away for a brand name.
-Defster
I have owned a Plextor 8/4/32A and recently bought a black Lite-On 24/10/40 and and extremely pleased with the Lite-On.
There is absolutely NO reason to buy a Plextor drive anymore. Other drives on the market offer as much if not more functionality. My friend has a 24/10/40 Plextor, and I guarantee you that if the name one the drive was covered up, you could not tell the difference. Well, except that his wallet is about $70 lighter than mine.
If anything, my Lite-On is a faster drive than his(his seeks are about as slow my 8x Plextor), and it comes with MUCH BETTER software(Nero vs. Easy CD Creator).
Oh yea, cache size on a burner is a moot point. As long as you have Burnproof or an equivalent, it is only good for bragging rights and trying to justify spending twice as much money on a burner that is the exact same as a cheaper model. Not to mention it being obsolete at exactly the same time(in a few weeks
).Oh yea, for all you who bash Lite-Ons, have you ever had hands-on experience with one? I've had hands-on experience with a few Plextors, and I'm saying that there is no point in throwing your money away for a brand name.
-Defster
Fair enough.. It's good to see that differences of opinion can still be argued civilly here without flaming and name calling..thanks for the well thought out reply Daovonnaex
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