Give Cheaters their own Servers!

[Destiny]

Rockstar Games may be on to something. Allow confirm cheaters to only access servers designated for them and prevent them from messing up online plays for others.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/max-payne-3-innovative-way-dealing-cheating-181929439.html

1) Instead of Perma Ban Cheaters when they can just go buy a new copy and cheat again
2) Allows them to duke it out with other cheaters "hunger games" style.

 

[Markbnj]

I don't think most cheaters would be satisfied with the experience of cheating other cheaters, probably because cheaters get just as pissed as the rest of us when someone cheats them.

 

[Elixer]

I don't think this will do that much, it might be good for some laughs if they don't know that they were switched to another server, but other than that, meh.

 

[Wardawg1001]

An interesting solution, but that it requires actively locating and running down the cheaters. Since most games can't even manage to control cheaters through bans, what makes you think they are going to be able to catch them all and move them to their own servers? Its better than nothing, but I have little faith that this will significantly reduce the amount of cheating happening on legit servers.

 

[SithSolo1]

They use to have cheater only servers in the CS 1.1-1.3 days, voluntary of course. I'd go on there to practice sans cheats, surprisingly had a positive Kill/Death ratio more than a few times.

 

[Childs]

I think this would only work if you didnt notify them that they were tagged as cheaters, then just silently move them over to cheater only servers. Cheating on a cheating server isnt really cheating, so they'd naturally want to be on a server that they can cheat on. They would probably eventually know something is up, but it might buy some more time.

As much as people cried years ago about using Intel's ID system, I actually now wish it was put in use and you just banned their CPU. Replacing hardware is more of a deterrent cost and time wise than simply buying a new key for a game.

 

[Wardawg1001]

I think this would only work if you didnt notify them that they were tagged as cheaters, then just silently move them over to cheater only servers. Cheating on a cheating server isnt really cheating, so they'd naturally want to be on a server that they can cheat on. They would probably eventually know something is up, but it might buy some more time.

As much as people cried years ago about using Intel's ID system, I actually now wish it was put in use and you just banned their CPU. Replacing hardware is more of a deterrent cost and time wise than simply buying a new key for a game.

That would require a very accurate cheat detection system, and very fast and efficient un-banning system for those wrongly accused of cheating.

 

[diesbudt]

Rockstar Games may be on to something. Allow confirm cheaters to only access servers designated for them and prevent them from messing up online plays for others.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/max-payne-3-innovative-way-dealing-cheating-181929439.html

1) Instead of Perma Ban Cheaters when they can just go buy a new copy and cheat again
2) Allows them to duke it out with other cheaters "hunger games" style.

Actually in the interview with Rockstar games on Max 3.

If someone is caught hacking or cheating, they will be warned and moved to a server designated for cheaters only. IF they cheat again, they will be banned.

 

[Rambusted]

Reminds a little bit of how Blizzard approached twinking awhile back. Add some xp to BG's and level or go play with other twinks.

 

[sygyzy]

They want people to report cheaters by emailing a description plus a video or screenshot if possible. That's quite a bit to ask. Maybe if they built in some sort of special tools where you can send in the last 10 seconds of what was displayed on the screen and it let you type in a description and pick the offender from a drop down list.

 

[borisvodofsky]

If everyone was cheating, then it's really not cheating anymore is it?

The whole point of online game cheaters is to gain an advantage against those that do not cheat.

So in the cheat enabled servers. It's actually impossible to cheat or be cheated, since all modifications are within the rules.

 

[power_hour]

I have a better idea. How about they do a better job of preventing hacking in the first place. This is bottom of the barrel of common sense.

Unless they are planning to use this as a great big test so they can document how the cheaters do it and come up with some amazing anti cheating procedures.

 

[thejunglegod]

They want people to report cheaters by emailing a description plus a video or screenshot if possible. That's quite a bit to ask.

Yes. Exactly. Why the hell would somebody run fraps while playing multiplayer hoping that a cheater comes along. They should have built in hack detectors which would make much more sense. And then go for a separate cheat server.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

I think most cheaters are doing it to troll other players for their own amusement, if they're aware they have been moved to cheaters only servers there's nothing to stop them from buying another key.

I'm not convinced there's very many repeat offenders anyway, how many people are really spending money on another copy of a game just to risk losing it to cheating again?

 

[sygyzy]

I think most cheaters are doing it to troll other players for their own amusement, if they're aware they have been moved to cheaters only servers there's nothing to stop them from buying another key.

So win win for the developer.

 

[Tweak155]

Permaban is better. Brings them more $$.

 

[Chiropteran]

This might have some minor aftermarket implications. Not that you can resell games that easily right now, but imagine buying a used game which has been marked as a cheater. It's not banned, so you don't immediately go to get your money back but you only play against other cheaters and probably won't be able to play with friends.

 

[brownstone]

I think it's a great concept. Put all of the "one shot through the wall-headshot everytime aimbot" users together and let them duke it out for the honor of being the biggest tool.

 

[gorcorps]

This might have some minor aftermarket implications. Not that you can resell games that easily right now, but imagine buying a used game which has been marked as a cheater. It's not banned, so you don't immediately go to get your money back but you only play against other cheaters and probably won't be able to play with friends.

You can't really buy used games anymore. Once the key has been attached to an account that's it... that's the key on that account. I'm not sure how your situation as described would even be possible.

 

[Chiropteran]

You can't really buy used games anymore. Once the key has been attached to an account that's it... that's the key on that account. I'm not sure how your situation as described would even be possible.

I mentioned that in post, yet some people do sell games even when the games require accounts. Mostly by giving the account name and password to the purchaser.

 

[thespyder]

I think you really need to give some definition to 'Cheaters' before this can be effectively discussed (and implemented).

With Neverwinter Nights, there are a number of online PWs/Servers where like minded players who have 'Hacked' the game beyond it's intended purpose go to play. They have endless fun playing characters with 100 Strength (as for example) or using items that are well outside what other servers allow. In this instance, so called "Cheaters" would probably appreciate a place to call their own.

Another brand of 'Cheater' is the type that draws some perverse satisfaction from griefing other players by being technically superior (if not actually so). I think these types would not 'Appreciate' being relegated to a 'Cheaters only' server and would stop playing (until they found a way to get back into mainstream servers) and this would then amount to nothing more than a Ban, but with an additional upkeep component.

 

[gorcorps]

I mentioned that in post, yet some people do sell games even when the games require accounts. Mostly by giving the account name and password to the purchaser.

You're not allowed to sell accounts. That's in Steam's (and I believe Origin's) TOS that you agree to. If you're buying 2nd hand accounts then you're already breaking the rules... seems just fine that you get lumped in with the rest of the rule breakers.

It sucks, but just buy your games new. They go on sale often enough on the PC anyway it's not much of an issue.

 

[Rakewell]

People cheat online in order to fulfill a missing superiority complex over others, to compensate for their inferior social and professional lives.

Cheaters vs cheaters doesn't achieve that goal.

 

[Skott]

An interesting solution, but that it requires actively locating and running down the cheaters. Since most games can't even manage to control cheaters through bans, what makes you think they are going to be able to catch them all and move them to their own servers? Its better than nothing, but I have little faith that this will significantly reduce the amount of cheating happening on legit servers.

^ This

 

[Chiropteran]

You're not allowed to sell accounts. That's in Steam's (and I believe Origin's) TOS that you agree to. If you're buying 2nd hand accounts then you're already breaking the rules... seems just fine that you get lumped in with the rest of the rule breakers.

It sucks, but just buy your games new. They go on sale often enough on the PC anyway it's not much of an issue.

This is Rockstar games... they mostly sell console games, right? All the rockstar PC games are old console titles. I am only a PC gamer but since the thread is about Rockstar I figured it would apply to all of their games... isn't there a big market for used console games?

I'm not worried about it myself, I don't buy used games, but it came to mind as a possible issue with the system. Or maybe it's a hidden benefit, kill the used game market!