Giuliani DENIED by Greedy Democrats

[SuperTool]

Just because most people want Giuliani to stay, makes no difference. The law is the law. I said hypocrites because conservatives were moaning that dems were making rules on the fly in the last election, but have no problem with it now. Of course, typical right-winger response to any accusation of hypocricy is "It's totally different"
Besides, anyone can show up on TV wearing NYPD hat and shed some tears. Giuliani is just full of himself thinking that NY can't do without him. Instead of asking for 3 more months, he should just shut up, get to work and stop wasting the few months that he has left in his current term.

 

[Texmaster]

<< I think I would vote for Howard. >>



lol agreed

 

[b0mbrman]

To be honest, I don't think he's doing it for a power grab at all...It might be hard to believe, but he, as a politician, actually cares about New York's best interest and think that *he* actually is the best man for the job.

 

[JellyBaby]

What's the story here? Giuliani has done a fine job during a big crisis. He doesn't want another term. He didn't request another 3 months.

The only "grabbing" going on is the "media" trying to grab onto a story where there is none.

 

[SuperTool]

<< I'm sorry I thought this was a NATIONAL crisis. Changing leadership in the midst of a crisis is NEVER good, republican or democrat. >>


Maybe you and Rudy should move to Pakistan. Their general Musharaf over there suspended the constitution, and made himself the "Guardian" of the state in the time of emergency. You will fit right in.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

<< He doesn't want another term >>

It's not that he doesn't want it. It's that the NY voters passed a measure that forbids him from going for re-election.

P.S. Somebody give Texmaster a hug

 

[Texmaster]

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<< I'm sorry I thought this was a NATIONAL crisis. Changing leadership in the midst of a crisis is NEVER good, republican or democrat. >>


Maybe you and Rudy should move to Pakistan. Their general Musharaf over there suspended the constitution, and made himself the "Guardian" of the state in the time of emergency. You will fit right in. >>



Thats right. An extention of an office in time of crisis means I agree with Pakestan's form of government.

You really do live up to your name dont you SuperTool

 

[CQuinn]

Who says Guliani needs to stay on as mayor to continue to be an effective leader at this time?

One might even argue that he could be better off dropping the day to day duties of Mayor on
somebody else, and taking up a role more focused on the recovery/rebuilding effort.
It's not like the Governor (or President) can't create a special position just for such
a need.

If I'm not mistaken, Guliani was one of those pushing for the term limits in the first place.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Who says Guliani needs to stay on as mayor to continue to be an effective leader at this time?

One might even argue that he could be better off dropping the day to day duties of Mayor on
somebody else, and taking up a role more focused on the recovery/rebuilding effort.
It's not like the Governor (or President) can't create a special position just for such
a need.

If I'm not mistaken, Guliani was one of those pushing for the term limits in the first place. >>



Its the time lost switching people that conscerns us. This is not a time to establish new lines of communication. Stick with what works in an emergency.

 

[burnedout]

Tex: I love your posts man! Always controversial.

 

[weezergirl]

sorry i don't live in ny, what exactly does the mayor do? i've seen him making press conferences a lot (anyone can do that) and basically updating how many people are missing etc. what exactly does he do that would be different from any other mayor?

i'm not trying to attack, this is a serious question since this is what i get from watching cnn etc.

 

[FrysInsider]

what a rediculous thread

 

[ManSnake]

Where is the hypocracy? Better be able to back that BS up little buddy.

Learn how to spell hypocricy, little buddy

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<< 3 additional months to see-through crisis plans is a "power grab". hehe - funny. >>



Yeah, guess he would rather have someone inexperienced in there screwing things up.

 

[GL]

Maybe I would agree if Guiliani's term officially ended about now...but it ends January 1st. Guiliani has sufficient time between now and then to get everything in order and by the looks of it he pretty much has. Why then does he need an extra 90 days after January 1st? Believe it or not but the city's responsibilities are delegated and a new mayor won't be overwhelmed by the task at hand seeing that this is the case.

 

[C'DaleRider]

Honestly, I don't really see Giuliani being there or not being there as making much of a difference. Maybe in the leadership position there may be a difference in tone or such, but cannot see any difference being made in the actual cleanup/recovery operation presently underway. The actual bureacuracy will nto change. The police chiefs will still be chiefs, the fire dept. captains will still be captains. Granted, the appointed positions can change, but that's why they have transition teams for the newly elected and outgoing politicans........to get the new mayor/president/etc. up to speed.

I really see no need to have Giuliani remain in office any longer than his term allows. It's not as if everything will grind to a halt after he leaves. On the contrary, New Yorkers will probably notice very little difference.....

And I'd think that four months after the horrendous attacks, the word "crisis" will not be used about NY any longer, unless something else happens there. The crisis time will have passed.

 

[drewshin]

there's a reason why there are laws and why we are a democracy. even our leaders had good enough sense to create the amendment that limits presidential terms even after one of the greatest presidents did the unprecendented three terms (and possibly fourth if he had not died).

what if all this had happened while bill clinton was in office, and he wanted to stay in office a few more years, so it wouldn't "interrupt" our war operations? ('i'm sorry citizens of america, in this time of crisis, i will need to stay in office at least a few more years until the threat of terrorism has passed') you all would be crapping big duplo legos in your pants. i agree with the previous poster, this is conservative hypcocrisy at its finest.

btw i think giuliani is a good guy, i enjoyed my visit to nyc last year, stayed about a block from times square...something i heard was not so enjoyable before he came into office.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Actually, some of us are able to look past personal politics during a time of crisis and realise that it would be better to retain the current leaders a short while longer, rather than change in the middle of things. Too bad some people always put personal politics first.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Why cant the greedy Democrats get it through their thick skulls that this is no time for politics?

 

[crystal]

Totally off topic. As a good leader, he/she see the big picture and and set priority on which projects/resources should be used for a given situation. A bad leader could really mess things up for those under him/her.

On to the topic. The wills of the people (New Yorkers) vote for no term extension into laws. If Giuliani got his extension then the people's wills are not servered.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Rudy did a great job, but term limits are in place for a reason, we should enact more of them, that way we wouldn't have 93 year old career congressman....

 

[C'DaleRider]

Can someone please explain how the Democrats are being greedy? After all, there is no assurance that a Dem. will win the mayoral election........

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<< Rudy did a great job, but term limits are in place for a reason, we should enact more of them, that way we wouldn't have 93 year old career congressman.... >>



Term limits are a last resort because lazy bastards will not get out and vote. :|

 

[drewshin]

Why cant the greedy Democrats get it through their thick skulls that this is no time for politics?

like i said earlier, if this had occurred a week before the november elections last year, while george w was up 10 points or so in the polls, republicans would be screaming bloody murder if clinton had suggested staying in office an extra month. why? because his approval ratings would have shot up like most presidents during crisises, al gore would have gotten tons of tv time assuring the american people, and gw would have been relegated to sitting in the corner and sucking his thumb.

politics is always personal, and it's sad that republicans have to hang on to these lame excuses of national unity and "patriotism" to feel like they have the right to arbitrarily bend the rules.

btw, which party was it that threatened to delay the extra budget aid for this crisis a few weeks ago, by trying to stick gw's energy and other conservative legislation into that same bill? you know who. it's two facedness, they'll smile at you and shake your hand while they're sticking it to you in your back.