GITMO detainees to be sent to South Carolina?

[Bock]

Call me crazy, but if someone slandered my name in public and caused me to no longer be able to obtain employment or place of residence, would the slander-er be held liable? Seems like our government should cough up some sort of compensation to them if this were the case.

Read the article bro, it's nigh impossible to find out their names, especially the waiting to be released ones.

 

[McLovin]

Read the article bro, it's nigh impossible to find out their names, especially the waiting to be released ones.

So if the names are impossible to obtain, why is it even an issue to release them to go back to their own country or wherever they would like to go?

 

[Jhhnn]

Another thing about Gitmo detainees, a few of them are actually innocent as deemed by the gov't. Thing is, they can't release them into the US, & nowhere else in the world wants them, including their home countries. This creates a problem.

Of the 169 international terror suspects still stuck behind bars at one of the world’s most notorious jails, 87 have been long-approved for release, some as far back as during the George W Bush administration. http://www.rt.com/usa/gitmo-release-president-obama-310/

It's complicated by our own laws & politics. When we took them prisoner, we took responsibility for them. Now that we figured out that the vast majority never were dangerous international terrorists at all, (witness he number released) we can't send some of them back to their native countries because they would likely be mistreated more than they are at Gitmo.

Politically, we can't resettle them here because we have to admit that they are innocent & that it was utterly wrong to imprison them in the first place.

America isn't ready for that. All too many people have been victimized by Bush Admin propaganda & fear.

 

[pcgeek11]

Congress. Any other questions you already know the answers to?

Righties can't admit they were suckered by fear & bloodlust in the wake of 9/11, that they cheered while the Bushistas violated the spirit & letter of the Constitution in order to break some Terrarist balls at Gitmo in an entirely extra-legal way. They cheered even louder when we perpetrated naked aggression & invasion against Iraq.

The fact that this total trust in authoritarian propaganda is from people who normally claim the govt is incompetent or lying in damned near every other respect tells us just how effective fear mongering can be.

Like I said- Terrorists? Prove it!

The Democrats held the Senate, Congress and the Prez all at the same time. You reason sucks.

 

[pcgeek11]

Please. Those traded were functionaries in the Taliban govt, political prisoners of war.

They fought against us? The invaders? It's their country. What would you expect?

BS. keep telling yourself that.

 

[pcgeek11]

Based on what? Your bloodthirstiness to get them executed?

Funny how people like to ignore US law when it doesn't suit their purposes.

Nobody is ignoring squat. It falls under the Military Court System, not the US Court System.

 

[pcgeek11]

Aww, hit a little close to home there.

Nope, Just how I feel about your stupid response. They do not belong in the US, for any reason. I would rather see them dumped off in the desert in the Middle East than brought here.

 

[pcgeek11]

Call me crazy, but if someone slandered my name in public and caused me to no longer be able to obtain employment or place of residence, would the slander-er be held liable? Seems like our government should cough up some sort of compensation to them if this were the case.

OMG! This is the stupidest thing I think I have ever read. Seriously.

 

[Sonikku]

Nope, Just how I feel about your stupid response. They do not belong in the US, for any reason. I would rather see them dumped off in the desert in the Middle East than brought here.

It seems every other country has the same sentiment. But what do for the few that were later determined to not be guilty of terrorism, that have been cleared for release but can't? Continue to deny them a trial and keep them incarcerated to avoid admitting a mistake? Hell we can even chalk it up to being "for their own good" while we're at it.

 

[Jhhnn]

It seems every other country has the same sentiment. But what do for the few that were later determined to not be guilty of terrorism, that have been cleared for release but can't? Continue to deny them a trial and keep them incarcerated to avoid admitting a mistake? Hell we can even chalk it up to being "for their own good" while we're at it.

Other countries see this as not their problem but rather self inflicted wounds on our part. They're right. Some of them probably enjoy watching us stew in our own hypocrisy.

Some day, perhaps, America will be able to admit that we elected unscrupulous men who brazenly & shamelessly exploited a national tragedy to serve an agenda of military aggression abroad and elitist economic class warfare at home.

If we can't admit that we were ruthlessly exploited & overwhelmed by right wing authoritarian lies & propaganda we will remain highly vulnerable to more of the same in the future. Obviously we still are judging from some of the comments in this thread.

Gitmo is a lasting reminder of their true values as are our dead, wounded & disabled veterans & the bloody chaos of the Iraq we blasted the Hell out of & ripped to pieces.

It's all right there, right in front of our eyes. It's only foolish pride that prevents a lot of people from seeing it.

 

[thraashman]

Call me crazy, but if someone slandered my name in public and caused me to no longer be able to obtain employment or place of residence, would the slander-er be held liable? Seems like our government should cough up some sort of compensation to them if this were the case.

OMG! This is the stupidest thing I think I have ever read. Seriously.

So you think that if the US captures, detains for 10+ years, never holds a trial for, and even determines a mistake was made and the detained men should never have been held but still won't release them, that we shouldn't compensate them in some way? So if the government decided to arrest you for something you didn't do, never convict or even try or charge you, and then still refused to release you, you would think the government should not compensate you in any way and should continue to detain you?

Your response to McLovin is the stupidest thing I've read ... really in just the last few minutes. I've seen JohnConnor, michal1980, and Blue_Max posts this morning already so it takes a lot to win the title of stupidest.

 

[CitizenKain]

OMG! This is the stupidest thing I think I have ever read. Seriously.

Have you tried looking at your posts? Because damn son, that's a lot of stupid.

 

[Jhhnn]

Have you tried looking at your posts? Because damn son, that's a lot of stupid.

It's not stupid. He's just emotionally vulnerable to right wing authoritarian propaganda. Lots of people are, unfortunately. It's a blind spot he doesn't even know he has & may never realize it, either.

 

[piasabird]

Drop them off in front of the White house and hand em a gun.


This crosses a line you should be ashamed of. Take some time off to re-think what you say here.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Mxylplyx]

A "terrorist" that has been locked in Gitmo for a decade escaping in the middle of south carolina would be like one of us waking up in the middle of Afghanistan. They'd be a fish out of water. It's not like these guys have had suicide vests stuffed up their ass that they could pull out and use. They'd be harmless, and probably get eaten by a bear or shot by a redneck.

 

[John Connor]

Bull freaking shit, the US legal system can handle this. One of the absolute saddest outcomes of the entire war on terror is our fear of using US courts to try cases. We missed an opportunity to demonstrate to the fucked up parts of the world what the rule of law truly means and in the process squandered our moral authority.

*Shakes head* You and all the others who think they should be afforded a lawyer and all this shit. You have any idea what kind of mockery this would be? What if he's "innocent." Fact is these bastards were captured for one reason or another and then to have them released in the states would be INSANE! Look at those terrorists that were released for Bergdahl. They are going right back into the fight! And I have read many do when Obozo has released them.

In war our Constitution does not and SHOULD NOT be used to grant enemy combatant rights to a freaking trial. I have argued this shit on every damn forum I've been a member on since the Iraq war. Flipping ridiculous!

 

[John Connor]

Okay, okay. How about they are tried in Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance? :twisted:

 

[brycejones]

Flipping ridiculous!

Yes your post is.

 

[kage69]

The Democrats held the Senate, Congress and the Prez all at the same time. You reason sucks.

I think your aversion to details sucks. Seems to make you post inane, context free bullshit. Is this where you're going to try and peddle the 'supermajority' thing? A period that lasted about 2 months?

Does the word 'filibuster' mean anything to you? I guess not.

 

[kage69]

It's not stupid. He's just emotionally vulnerable to right wing authoritarian propaganda. Lots of people are, unfortunately. It's a blind spot he doesn't even know he has & may never realize it, either.

Agreed. I think this explains about 80-90% of his sockpuppet kin. The ones with true mental deficiencies are (hopefully) a minority.

 

[CitizenKain]

*Shakes head* You and all the others who think they should be afforded a lawyer and all this shit. You have any idea what kind of mockery this would be? What if he's "innocent." Fact is these bastards were captured for one reason or another and then to have them released in the states would be INSANE! Look at those terrorists that were released for Bergdahl. They are going right back into the fight! And I have read many do when Obozo has released them.

In war our Constitution does not and SHOULD NOT be used to grant enemy combatant rights to a freaking trial. I have argued this shit on every damn forum I've been a member on since the Iraq war. Flipping ridiculous!

Then maybe you should have figured out that everyone else is right and you are wrong.

 

[John Connor]

Then maybe you should have figured out that everyone else is right and you are wrong.

Only the few have common sense, son. They don't teach that at Liberalized institutions where you spend thousands of dollars, get a diploma and then can't find a job.

You're born with common sense and it's common sense that separates the majority no nothings with people who have their head on straight and not up their ass.

Keep in mind "most" people voted for Obozo, too. Most people probably if asked, "How many Senators are in Congress?" Wouldn't know. Point is "most" people don't know shit.

 

[MongGrel]

Only the few have common sense, son. They don't teach that at Liberalized institutions where you spend thousands of dollars, get a diploma and then can't find a job.

You're born with common sense and it's common sense that separates the majority no nothings with people who have their head on straight and not up their ass.

Keep in mind "most" people voted for Obozo, too. Most people probably if asked, "How many Senators are in Congress?" Wouldn't know. Point is "most" people don't know shit.

You are what, 33 or something ?

Many people on this forum are old enough to be your father, but you keep wanting to call people son all the time like you have some inner wisdom.

You really don't seem to have much common sense at all to me.

 

[McLovin]

Whoops. My bad!


The government has never EVER detained or wrongfully imprisoned someone so they obviously never make a mistake. Gotcha. So we'd never EVER have to hold them accountable for any mistakes, right? Gotcha.

 

[Jhhnn]

By all means, explain to me how you came to this conclusion. I'd love to see the evidence you've collected for this judgement.

That remark was not directed towards you. The posting history of pcgeek11 is all the evidence anybody needs to reach that conclusion & it's only 2 clicks away.

I was actually defending his intellectual capacity. We are all emotional creatures. Some of us are better than others at recognizing when we're being manipulated at that level. The world is full of people like that who are often very good even brilliant at what they do otherwise.

I think we agree at a fundamental level as to the shameful nature of the Gitmo prison. It was not created to further efforts against terrorism at all but rather for domestic political gain. It's a tribute to the power of propaganda that people would set aside the principles of the Constitution to embrace the idea at all.