Girl suspended at school for saying Bless You after someone sneezed

[master_shake_]

so next time someone sneezes just say fuck you. bound to have less effect.

 

[Moonbeam]

People who don't love themselves need external inputs to make them feel better. When you say bless you, you inflate your ego by pretending you can tell God what to do. It's a control thingi that people use who feel powerless. Naturally, the girl needs therapy. May God bring her peace.

 

[werepossum]

so next time someone sneezes just say fuck you. bound to have less effect.

LOL +1

At least then people will know you don't have a conservative brain defect.

 

[Exophase]

People who don't love themselves need external inputs to make them feel better. When you say bless you, you inflate your ego by pretending you can tell God what to do. It's a control thingi that people use who feel powerless. Naturally, the girl needs therapy. May God bring her peace.

I liked you better before you found religion and that is seriously saying a lot.

 

[GoPackGo]

I can only think of this:

"You are a true believer. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses. Thou art a subject of the divine. Created in the image of man, by the masses, for the masses.
Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard; increase production, prevent accidents, and be happy.
[or] Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy more and be happy."

 

[Exterous]

There could be more to the story, but we'll never hear it unless the parents sign a release. Privacy laws prevent the school and teacher from telling their side.

I really wish there was a clause that if the parent or student makes the issue public so can the school

Is that another atheius talking point?? sad

No - just a very strong possibility.

 

[master_shake_]

in the other thread this was posted

a list of words that can't be said in this teachers class.

thats some straight up bull shit.

might be violating the first amendment no?

 

[xBiffx]

might be violating the first amendment no?

Yes.

I'll add one thing. Only and idiot writes in cursive.

 

[Exophase]

No, it isn't violating the first amendment to regulate the language in your classroom. Next thing you'll be complaining about an advanced foreign language class that doesn't let people speak in English.

It seems obvious to me that the teacher is just a tight ass about sloppy language and some other really silly things (maybe it's an English class?), which makes me doubt all the further that she ever brought up religion and that it's instead the student's poor interpretation.

 

[xBiffx]

No, it isn't violating the first amendment to regulate the language in your classroom.

This isn't about profanity. These words aren't reasonably offensive to anyone. And regulation of language is exactly what the First Amendment is about. She is a public servant, i.e. paid by taxpayers so she doesn't get the freedom to remove her student's right to speech when she doesn't like what they have to say. This is independent of any religious reasoning, which would also be a violation, if that was her intent.

Also, there is a difference between not wanting your students to say certain things and going as far as to have them suspended (punished) for saying certain things.

 

[Exophase]

This isn't about profanity. These words aren't reasonably offensive to anyone. And regulation of language is exactly what the First Amendment is about. She is a public servant, i.e. paid by taxpayers so she doesn't get the freedom to remove her student's right to speech when she doesn't like what they have to say.

Never in my post did I say it was about profanity. It's probably at least partially an effort to get students to improve their language expression. It sounds like you'd think that a teacher who tells her class to stop talking in general is also violating the first amendment..

My girlfriend tells me that her band in highschool didn't allow saying "bless you" after the first day because it wasted a lot of time having these pauses after someone sneezes. Had nothing to do with religious rights, the students and teachers there were largely very religious.

Also, there is a difference between not wanting your students to say certain things and going as far as to have them suspended (punished) for saying certain things.

But she didn't get suspended for saying bless you. First of all, it's questionable that she got suspended in the first place given that she stormed out of the classroom and allegedly was placed in the ISS room only until the period was over. Second, none of this was simply because she said "bless you" but because she started an argument over her right to say it and got the rest of the class riled up over it. She was making an issue of religious persecution where it probably didn't exist. She could have talked to the teacher outside of the class. What she did was totally inappropriate and a huge disruption.

 

[xBiffx]

Never in my post did I say it was about profanity. It's probably at least partially an effort to get students to improve their language expression. It sounds like you'd think that a teacher who tells her class to stop talking in general is also violating the first amendment..

My girlfriend tells me that her band in highschool didn't allow saying "bless you" after the first day because it wasted a lot of time having these pauses after someone sneezes. Had nothing to do with religious rights, the students and teachers there were largely very religious.

I know you didn't but your post only applied to profanity.

There is a difference in asking a class to remain silent and posting a list of phrases or words that they can't use (outside the aforementioned profanity which would be fun to see posted on the board) and then punishing them for doing so.

Again, asking people to not say bless you for whatever reason isn't a huge deal. Punishing them for doing so is where it goes too far.

I'm sorry you're missing the point with your repeated use of terrible analogies.

 

[Retro Rob]

But she didn't get suspended for saying bless you. First of all, it's questionable that she got suspended in the first place given that she stormed out of the classroom and allegedly was placed in the ISS room only until the period was over. Second, none of this was simply because she said "bless you" but because she started an argument over her right to say it and got the rest of the class riled up over it. She was making an issue of religious persecution where it probably didn't exist. She could have talked to the teacher outside of the class. What she did was totally inappropriate and a huge disruption.

I personally don't think it was a big deal, but it seems you're doing some heavy apologizing for a perhaps intolerant teacher.

It really isn't that serious.

 

[xBiffx]

But she didn't get suspended for saying bless you. First of all, it's questionable that she got suspended in the first place given that she stormed out of the classroom and allegedly was placed in the ISS room only until the period was over. Second, none of this was simply because she said "bless you" but because she started an argument over her right to say it and got the rest of the class riled up over it. She was making an issue of religious persecution where it probably didn't exist. She could have talked to the teacher outside of the class. What she did was totally inappropriate and a huge disruption.

How do you know that the teacher didn't instigate a bigger reaction? How do you know the teacher didn't make the situation worse rather than try to diffuse it? The teacher could have gone off at the student just the same. So that's okay?

Of course this doesn't become a First Amendment question if the girl was suspended for something else. But from the information at hand, the "bless you" statement started it and things snow balled from there.

 

[cubby1223]

I highly, highly doubt this situation has anything to do with religion.

But since it has the hint of religion, the internet's atheist vs. religion war had to stick their noses into the mix.

The whole description of the events sounds like there is a lot of friction between the teacher and the students, and the "bless you" just unleashed pent-up anger that was building on both sides over a period of time.

Very similar general overtone to the other news story of the past week. Only in this situation the students didn't vent their anger in the form of burning the school to the ground Kudos to them for having inner restraint.

 

[TerryMathews]

No, it isn't violating the first amendment to regulate the language in your classroom. Next thing you'll be complaining about an advanced foreign language class that doesn't let people speak in English.

It seems obvious to me that the teacher is just a tight ass about sloppy language and some other really silly things (maybe it's an English class?), which makes me doubt all the further that she ever brought up religion and that it's instead the student's poor interpretation.

Bullshit. There's no way that list is compliant with Tinker.

 

[Exophase]

Bullshit. There's no way that list is compliant with Tinker.

There's a difference between school-wide policies in what you can wear and restricting what's said in a specific classroom with some kind of linguistic motivation.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how it's okay for an advanced Spanish class teacher to tell the students not to speak in anything but Spanish, or to hear that this is in fact also a freedom of speech violation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bullshit. There's no way that list is compliant with Tinker.

Pay no attention to Exophase, for the love of God. His mind has clearly been seized and under the control of the Devil. He doesn't need your logic, he needs an exorcism, and I know how to do it. I know how to cast out devils. The power of God is within me. Bring a wrench and a screwdriver, too please, because as long as we have him open, we may as well do some tweaking to his irony detector to see if we can get it working.

 

[Jeff7]

I suspect she was being disruptive and when called on it became even more disruptive. OTOH, maybe not, the teacher may have been an asshole about it, but suspect there's more to the story.

Tis possible.
Some people are really insistent on following that superstitious "bless you" compulsion.



That made me think of someone in a philosophy class. Bible-belt raised, and the answer to everything was something to do with Jesus.
After about 2 weeks, she dropped the class.

 

[Exophase]

Pay no attention to Exophase, for the love of God. His mind has clearly been seized and under the control of the Devil. He doesn't need your logic, he needs an exorcism, and I know how to do it. I know how to cast out devils. The power of God is within me. Bring a wrench and a screwdriver, too please, because as long as we have him open, we may as well do some tweaking to his irony detector to see if we can get it working.

If you're trying to make some kind of point you're not doing a very good job.

 

[xBiffx]

There's a difference between school-wide policies in what you can wear and restricting what's said in a specific classroom with some kind of linguistic motivation.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how it's okay for an advanced Spanish class teacher to tell the students not to speak in anything but Spanish, or to hear that this is in fact also a freedom of speech violation.

You are making other's point with that first statement, not yours.

Your analogy doesn't have anything to do with this incident. And its funny how you can't see how it relates to your first statement. Hint: its not specific.

 

[werepossum]

If you're trying to make some kind of point you're not doing a very good job.

Disagree.

 

[Exophase]

Your analogy doesn't have anything to do with this incident. And its funny how you can't see how it relates to your first statement. Hint: its not specific.

Okay, so what exactly do you think is the motivation behind the list of words that the students aren't allowed to say?

Do you really think this is about religion? Do you think it's about suppressing ideas and opinions? Because it seems to me to have little to do with what students can express and more to do with how they're expected to express it.

 

[Exophase]

Disagree.

Alright, could you please explain to me the point in Moonbeam's post then? Could you tell me what it has to do with my comments about why I don't think the teacher's list of disallowed expressions isn't a first amendment problem? Apparently you're getting it, I'm not. Outside of that he's angry at me for saying I like him less since he's found religion? I'm tired of him constantly injecting his "God is love and everyone needs to see it" spiritual message into almost all of his posts.

 

[cubby1223]

Alright, could you please explain to me the point in Moonbeam's post then? Could you tell me what it has to do with my comments about why I don't think the teacher's list of disallowed expressions isn't a first amendment problem? Apparently you're getting it, I'm not. Outside of that he's angry at me for saying I like him less since he's found religion? I'm tired of him constantly injecting his "God is love and everyone needs to see it" spiritual message into almost all of his posts.

He's role playing the part of a zealot. He is insulting Christianity more than anything else.