Girl shoots herself with grandma's gun at Sams Club store

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.../sam_s_club_child_shot

Girl shoots herself with grandma's gun at SC store By KATRINA A. GOGGINS, Associated

A 4-year-old girl shot herself in the chest Monday after snatching her grandmother's handgun from the woman's purse while riding in a shopping cart at a Sam's Club store, authorities said.

A witness, Lueen Homewood, said store workers grabbed first-aid materials off store shelves to help the grandmother as she cradled the wounded child near the store's pharmacy, The (Columbia) State newspaper reported on its Web site.

The girl was rushed to a hospital in critical condition and was recovering Monday afternoon after surgery, said police department spokesman Brick Lewis. Hospital officials would not release her condition after the operation.

Lewis said the grandmother, Donna Hutto Williamson, has a permit to carry a concealed weapon and the purse containing the small-caliber handgun was in the cart near the child. The 47-year-old Williamson, of Salley, was not immediately charged with a crime.


I thought the ccw propaganists needed to see the kind of DAILY occurence that will happen when the average Joe moron is carrying.
Hope the little girl makes it. At least granny was safe in the knowledge that the ccw fanatics will defend her right to be an idiot.

 

CycloWizard

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If grandma is backing her car out of the driveway and the kid runs behind it and gets hit, should we disallow drivers licenses and/or cars?
 

dphantom

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Being an idiot is the reson for this story. No different than if grandma was driving and casused an accident when she should never have been allowed to drive.

A responsible gun owner, car driver, heavy equipment operator, surgeon, etc... knows what to do to be safe within their areas. Obviously, grandma is an idiot.
 

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I would give the OP's line of thinking a little more credence if it was an older (teenage at least) girl who intentionally suicided. The 4 year old probably thought she was playing with a toy.

This thread is stupid.
 

KB

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I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: KB
I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.
What's also rare is someone with a CCW saving the day because of it. It does happen but it's extremely rare.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
If grandma is backing her car out of the driveway and the kid runs behind it and gets hit, should we disallow drivers licenses and/or cars?

No. Just take them away from the elderly.




Sorry, I live in FL. :p
 
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I read this elsewhere and knew someone was going to try to exploit it here. It was a horrible accident that could have probably been prevented by much less extreme measures than preventing the grandma the means for defending herself.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: KB
I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.
What's also rare is someone with a CCW saving the day because of it. It does happen but it's extremely rare.

Shrug, depends on what you mean by "saving the day". My CCW has protected me from a would be mugger. I know half a dozen people who can say the same.

Oh, all of those situations ended without a single shot being fired. Bad guys typically run away when they discover their prey can defend themselves. No point in getting into a shootout when they can simply move on to someone who can't defend themselves.
 

Capt Caveman

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I guess not all CCW holders are responsible. There goes that notion that all CCW defenders have.
 

palehorse

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The OP and the Grandmother in the story certainly have something in common.. they're both idiots.

/thread
 

getbush

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Techs, do you really want an idiocracy this bad? Let's ban swimming pools while we're at it since "dry drowning" is making its rounds in the media.

Leaving a loaded weapon in arm's reach of a 4 year old, then leaving that child alone long enough to discover it, fish it out and shoot themselves in the chest with it (regardless that it doesn't take long at all - no excuse) is absolutely negligent but not a reason to punish everyone else. I really think the grandmother should be charged with something. What exactly I'm not sure but some kind of negligent manslaughter if the child does not survive would not be out of the question.

Another related point is that negative incidents from CCW are virtually always documented where often times incidents where it played a positive role are not.

 
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Grandma needs to be charged with negligence, no doubt about it.

However for every incident you find like this I can find you 400-8000 showing a proper defensive gun use, since there are only about 300 accidents a year and 130,000-2.5 million defensive gun uses.

While tragic, this incident is statistically insignificant.

Police officers are far more likely to commit a violent crime than are permit holders (supported in numerous independent studies).
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: KB
I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.
What's also rare is someone with a CCW saving the day because of it. It does happen but it's extremely rare.

While permit holders only represent a portion of the defensive gun uses there are still thousands of them. There are at least 40 times (and as many as 80 times) as many defensive gun uses every year as there are deaths/accidents/suicides. That's a HUGE number.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: KB
I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.
What's also rare is someone with a CCW saving the day because of it. It does happen but it's extremely rare.

Shrug, depends on what you mean by "saving the day". My CCW has protected me from a would be mugger. I know half a dozen people who can say the same.

Oh, all of those situations ended without a single shot being fired. Bad guys typically run away when they discover their prey can defend themselves. No point in getting into a shootout when they can simply move on to someone who can't defend themselves.

"My CCW has protected me from a would be mugger. I know half a dozen people who can say the same"

Wow. I lived in New York City for 35 years and was never mugged.

 

techs

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
I read this elsewhere and knew someone was going to try to exploit it here. It was a horrible accident that could have probably been prevented by much less extreme measures than preventing the grandma the means for defending herself.

If this is 'exploitation' and therefore should not have been posted, then only the cases where a ccw prevented a crime should be posted, by your sick reasoning.
Which would just brainwash people into thinking ccw's only prevent crime, and no accidents occur.
You need to stop watching FoxNews. The propaganda is getting to you.

 

techs

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Originally posted by: KB
I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.

Which proves my point. Since everyone in PA is a potential carrier, there should be less crime in PA, which there is not.
And if it is so easy to get a ccw why do so few have them? Because most people don't see the need, and understands you are thousands of times more likely to get killed if you own a gun than if you don't.
The heroic "I can save the day if I have a gun" mentality people are exactly the people who SHOULDN'T have a ccw.

 

Onita

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: KB
I know you are posting this just because the CCW fans post everytime some CCW does something. This case is very rare, and no where near a DAILY occurrence. If it was, you would be posting a new one everyday.

It is an unfortunate event and definitely the grandma is at fault; however we can't make a pro/con CCW decision on one case alone. This is something both sides need to realize.

Whats interesting is that in PA it costs 5 dollars and a quick background check to get a CCW. This means every "joe moron" can carry in PA and we don't see too many CCW negatives (or for that matter too many CCW positives) coming out of PA.

Which proves my point. Since everyone in PA is a potential carrier, there should be less crime in PA, which there is not.
And if it is so easy to get a ccw why do so few have them? Because most people don't see the need, and understands you are thousands of times more likely to get killed if you own a gun than if you don't.
The heroic "I can save the day if I have a gun" mentality people are exactly the people who SHOULDN'T have a ccw.

Feel free to post stats.
 

getbush

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Originally posted by: techs
"My CCW has protected me from a would be mugger. I know half a dozen people who can say the same"

Wow. I lived in New York City for 35 years and was never mugged.

Shit man come to think of it I've never had lung cancer. Fuck those yellow ribbons.

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