Girl help heh... i want mostly female opinions, but guys feel free too

BlazingSaddles

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Alright this might be long so just bear with me....

*Just finished writing, coming back up to write a little warning. This is long as hell, don't read it if you get bored with dumb HS relationship crap, and don't write some smart ass remark about needing the cliffnotes*

I've known this girl for about 7 or 8 years, we became pretty good friends last year. This year about October/November we became best friends, and we started having feelings for each other about mid-December. While we were best friends we would talk on the phone everyday and hang out every weekend, whether it was with a group or by ourselves. For about two weeks in mid-December it was obvious we had feelings for each other but we never talked about it (we held hands and stuff). One night we kissed and then obviously we had to talk about it and get every thing out in the open.

We got together in the beginning of January.... but a week later it started going downhill. It all started one night, when she was babysitting, and I went to go see her. I stayed for a while, then I went to a party, and she said she'd call me when she got out of babysitting and she'd come too. But she never did, but I didn't think twice about it cause maybe she got out too late or something. The next day she didn't call and she usually does at least by the afternoon or so. I call her up at around 5, she doesn't talk much and says she has to get off the phone so she could do homework. I was like okay, thats fine I'll talk to you tomorrow. I go online, and 5 minutes later she comes online. I ask her what happened and she was ilke I didn't feel like doing it. Okay.... I try to talk to her but she doesn't say much, one or two word answers.

I gave up on her for the night, but the next day wasn't any better. We don't talk when we see each other (though we were with a group of people, but still). During the course of the week I ask her whats the matter what was up with her.... she kept insisting nothing was wrong. We almost break up during this, but we both agreed we wnted to work things out. Finally she admits to "being distant, but it had nothing to do with me." I'm like alright, maybe everyone who goes from best friends to gf/bf goes through this. Its over, put it behind me.

One night we were at a HS basketball game. I stand next to her, though we don't really talk. She has to leave the game early, and before I know it she slips by me and is going out the door. w/o saying bye or aynthing. I'm steamed, but I don't want to bring it up. But at night she comes online and immediately apologizes for doing that. I wanted to froget about it, but now that she brought it up I was a little angry. I was like whats the deal, she says she just forgot, it slipped her mind. Then she says "maybe we shouldn't be togehter because i keep hurting you with these little things." I say, yea I agree we were really perfect friends before and now everything is falling apart. If you promise things will go back to normal after we break up, then I agree." she says yes, so there's the end. I don't know if she really wanted to break up that night, more details if you ask, but this is getting too long already :)

Things get worse after this. We talk less and less, I call her, she says she's busy and we rarely hung out. Her best friend (who i was very good friends w/ too) kept telling me I try too hard and to give her her space. So okay, I stopped calling her for a while. like a week and a weekend. For valentine's day, I gave her a bouquet of a few flowers (not roses) with a note saying this situation is so stupid, I want to be friends again... not together, just friends. She calls me back, sincerely (i think) thanks me for the flowers but doesn't mention the note. We have a 6 day break after valentine's day, and after that day we don't talk for the rest of hte break, cause I promised myself not to call her.

Finally, the past few days, she's been really ignoring me, every time I talk to her in school she is quiet and basically disagrees with everything I say. Her best friend says she 'got tired of me' or 'sick of me' or something.

After all that writing.... I dunno what I want you guys to do... just give me your opinion I guess. This week sometime, I want to make her come by my house after school so we can get everything out in the open and talk about everything. basically what is up with her. I don't relaly know if that is a good idea anymore. Maybe I should just not talk to her, and see how it goes from there.... :confused:

There are some more details (believe it or not), if anyone actually reads this I'll see if I can divulge some more relevant information.

EDIT: The general consensus when I explain this to people (well, like... two people and you guys) is to leave her alone, girls like the 'bad guys' blah blah. The thing is, this situation has happened before to my knowledge. Last year, she asked her best friend to prom. Their relationship sorta went sour and at prom she completely ignored him, like didn't talk to him at all (this was may '01). In the November/December '01 time frame, they still weren't talking very much. Now I think they are okay, maybe even good friends again but not sure.

Furthermore, she had a pretty good friend (with a girl i dislike a lot though), they got in a fight and she has never talked to her again. Also, a few months ago she had a guy she hooked up with a few times. They got in a fight and now she is just very casual friends with him (say hi when they see each other thats it).

Point is, this is the most stubborn girl I have ever dealt with, I have other situations as evidence as well. I thought it was different wiht us, but I guess not. Various times she has been in a pissy mood and later gone out of her way to apologize for it. But... I doubt she will change her stance on this.
 

BlazingSaddles

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oh yea. right now I think I actually do want to be just friends. It just bothers me so much, because while we were takling about getting togehter, one reason we were hesitant was becuse we thought it would be weird between us after we broke up and we didnt' want that. we agreed not to be.... and its reallllly bad now.

Recently I think I still had feelings for her, but now friends is all I want....
 

Hyperblaze

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Okay, don't take this as a smart ass response and this is purely commenting.

I'm starting to think that being single is more simple to live then in a relationship.

Can someone tell me exactly what the perks are in a relationship? So far all I see is trouble.

Jero <--- starting to realize how fortunate he is being single

 

keystroker

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girls like guys who hang out with guys who is a real man, who is difficult to obtain. thats why she doesn't like you anymore you were too easy (aka whipped). it seems to me girls are immature at this age when choosing men and play too many games. I'm an a$$hole to most girls for now since it works out that way right now, but i'm thinking of being a mix of asshole/nice guy. anyways try and find another girl get away from this one, she'll come back.
 

jaydee

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<< kept telling me I try too hard and to give her her space. >>


It has come appearant to me that once this is said there is almost no going back.


<< Finally, the past few days, she's been really ignoring me, every time I talk to her in school she is quiet and basically disagrees with everything I say. Her best friend says she 'got tired of me' or 'sick of me' or something. >>


Now is definitly the time you leave her alone and if she wants to be friends or whatever, she'll let you know. Go out and have fun with other people. This advice is often given, but seldom used... until it is too late. Women are strange creatures, in many cases let them come to you. Trying to maintain contact with one by yourself is 'cute' at first, but after the novelty wears off, they won't want anything to do with you. Fact of life, you gotta live with it. Let them come to you.
 

pyonir

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Blazing: i would just cut off communication from her. friendship is a two way street, why should you have to do all the work? obviously your friendship doesn't mean that much to her and there is nothing you can do to change that. i had a situation like that with an ex-gf. she would never call me or would be really short and curt with me when i was on the phone with her. so i just stopped talking to her. if she wants to continue the friendship, she will call. just flat out tell her, "i'm not doing all the work anymore. if you value our friendship you'll call. but until you do, i won't be bothering you anymore." let it go and work on a new friendship with someone else...(sorry if some of that came off as harsh. just giving you my opinion)

Good Luck
 

pulse8

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<< Okay, don't take this as a smart ass response and this is purely commenting.

I'm starting to think that being single is more simple to live then in a relationship.

Can someone tell me exactly what the perks are in a relationship? So far all I see is trouble.

Jero <--- starting to realize how fortunate he is being single
>>

That's like listening to traffic reports everyday and then wondering what the perks are of driving.

There's good and bad with everything. I'd say most of the problems described on here are an indication that the people shouldn't be together in the first place.

There are working relationships, but why would they need to post about them if everything is going well?
 

bizmark

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ATTENTION WOMEN: YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ WHAT FOLLOWS. :D

Dude, that sucks. I've been doing a lot of damage control lately since my roommate's girlfriend broke up with him :(

And all I can say is, who the hell knows what's in a woman's mind. They're completely unfathomable sometimes. Sometimes you just have to accept that they're simply not reasonable beings, especially during a certain time of the month ;)

As some of the other people here have said, you should probably limit your contact with her or even cut it totally off. And go to every effort to make it seem (even though it may not be the case) that you are just fine without her and don't need her. i.e. that you WEREN'T whipped, that you're a complete person without her in your life, and that you really don't care. And if she's being an asshole to you (i.e. ignoring you and everything) ignore her right back to the nth degree. Don't stare at her and wait for her to turn and look at you. Don't try to smile at her or initiate eye contact. Act as if she doesn't exist.

Maybe she'll come back, in which case you should be very careful to not let her get the wrong impression again and let her think that she can get by with screwing you over all the time. And also don't let yourself get whipped :D I can say it, but it won't happen... women really do hold an amazing power over men, and it's up to us to NOT LET THEM KNOW THAT!

I've tried the "let's be open and honest about everything" approach before and it really gets bad because, as I said above, women (particularly when it comes to relationships) a lot of the time don't really have good reasons for what they do. They just do it. So while you're perfectly reasonable and clear about what you feel and what you want and why you feel that way and want what you do, she'll not say much and what she does say will go without explanation because, really nobody can explain why she feels or acts that way.

Well good luck. Oh, and I don't think that things can go back to normal. Right now, at least. Maybe in a year or two, you'll be able to talk to each other again and have something like your initial friendship, but for now, it's a lost cause.

P.S. Women, if you did read that, please know that I wasn't simply bashing women with all the irrational stuff but stating a fundamental difference between men and women, which does NOT imply a superior/inferior status but rather implies that we guys have to try to realize what we're dealing with. Not that I'm saying that ALL women are necessarily irrational, but even the most rational women I know have been known to completely lose it when they're PMSing.
 

Scouzer

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<<
Can someone tell me exactly what the perks are in a relationship? So far all I see is trouble.
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Are you missing an organ?
 

BlazingSaddles

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The general consensus when I explain this to people (well, like... two people and you guys) is to leave her alone, girls like the 'bad guys' blah blah. The thing is, this situation has happened before to my knowledge. Last year, she asked her best friend to prom. Their relationship sorta went sour and at prom she completely ignored him, like didn't talk to him at all (this was may '01). In the November/December '01 time frame, they still weren't talking very much. Now I think they are okay, maybe even good friends again but not sure.

Furthermore, she had a pretty good friend (with a girl i dislike a lot though), they got in a fight and she has never talked to her again. Also, a few months ago she had a guy she hooked up with a few times. They got in a fight and now she is just very casual friends with him (say hi when they see each other thats it).

Point is, this is the most stubborn girl I have ever dealt with, I have other situations as evidence as well. I thought it was different wiht us, but I guess not. Various times she has been in a pissy mood and later gone out of her way to apologize for it. But... I doubt she will change her stance on this.
 

Hyperblaze

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<<

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Can someone tell me exactly what the perks are in a relationship? So far all I see is trouble.
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Are you missing an organ?
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If you are only in a relationship to satisfy a particular organ, then that is pretty sad.

Yes I know some people actually go it in just for that reason....like I said...sad.
 

bizmark

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Well, really the purpose of our organs in question (and in fact, our lives) is to have children. This is also the point of a relationship. A healthy relationship between healthy people, at least.
 

Hyperblaze

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<< Well, really the purpose of our organs in question (and in fact, our lives) is to have children. This is also the point of a relationship. A healthy relationship between healthy people, at least. >>



I do not disagree with your statement at all. I quite understand that.

But what I had originally asked was for the perks in a relationship.

The way he phrased his answer, in the way that I took it anyways, saying that sex was the only perk.

In other others...only going out with a girl to sleep with her.



 

Keego

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I'd cut her off. I'm a pretty big jerk though, I'm not known for how my relationships with girls end up after I get to know them.
 

SCSIfreek

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agreed with what wrote wbwither. From my own experiences girls never could figure out what they want. Only a woman knows :). Trash that !#@$#@ and ignore her. Lastly, you'll never go back as friends no matter what you do.


--Scsi


 

bizmark

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Jero: yeah, sorry. I knew what you meant, I was just playing around. I interpreted his statement the same way, but it still seemed like a good way to answer your question "What are the perks in a relationship?". Children. The meaning of life. That's at least one of the perks in a relationship.

Also I'd say that sex (without children entering the equation) is a huge perk too -- I wasn't trying to disagree with Scouzer, either :D

And many girls also go out with guys just to sleep with them too -- males aren't the only people capable of being jerks.
 

Nitemare

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Cut her loose dude. You wanted to be her friend, but she is giving you the cold shoulder.

Ignore her, pretend she does not exist and move on. Let her see you with other girls and also let her see that they are paying alot of attention to you..

She will start to like you more...and if you still want to get with her, you have to remember to be an ass occasionally. If she starts to go distant with you...start getting cozy with her girlfriends...Girls that age are space cadets and don't know what they want. They play games that noone knows the rules for including themselves.

Personally, I'd ditch her, forget about her, and date someone else..High school life is too short to spend it pursueing a "clueless" girl.
 

kassy

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You have thus far indicated to this person that you are prepared to lay down and let her walk all over you, and the truth of the matter is, unless physical force is used you only get walked over IF you allow it to happen.
Firstly decide what you want.
Secondly have some self respect.
Thirdly tell her to sling her hook until she can treat you with the respect you deserve.
And then if she still treats you like a doormat, stand up and let her fall on her arse.....alone.

 

Hyperblaze

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<< Jero: yeah, sorry. I knew what you meant, I was just playing around. I interpreted his statement the same way, but it still seemed like a good way to answer your question "What are the perks in a relationship?". Children. The meaning of life. That's at least one of the perks in a relationship.

Also I'd say that sex (without children entering the equation) is a huge perk too -- I wasn't trying to disagree with Scouzer, either :D

And many girls also go out with guys just to sleep with them too -- males aren't the only people capable of being jerks.
>>



Agreed there too. Which is why I did not specify gender to begin with.

I unforuntately made the mistake of specifying gender later on in the discussion. Like you mentioned...works both ways.

It's weird....for a while I've been wanting to find that special lady in my life. Now I simply don't care anymore....in fact...I'm getting scared of when it'll happen.

Wonder if anyone is as scared to get in relationship as I am.

 

SyahM

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wow. .. this story is almost the same as what is happening to me now... but i'm almost done with college and we were together for 3 yrs.

ANyway,... i think pyonir is right, that way you can see if she still value your friendship. and I think it's not a good idea for you to ask her to your house to talk over about this issue. Why dont you go to someplace neutral?

easy dude ... you still in HS, you'll meet many more girls and women.

personally, i wont date my best friend because i fear it will damage our friendship. Good luck!
 

AreaCode707

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Kudos to you for trying to openly communicate. What she's shown though, is that she isn't going to do participate in that mature level of communication for now. She's been as open about what she wants as she's going to get, and that she isn't interested/can't handle dating you right now. With the way she's treated you, I'd say you're fortunate that she's going to make that call for you and not make you do it later on, because her maturity level doesn't let her really have a relationship right now. My advice would be to just get on with your life, no matter how much you'd like to be friends. The best way for things to get back to the way they were, if they ever will, is to just be normal, and let her decide to let you know if she wants to hang out again. I wouldn't suggest trying to date anymore though.
 

BlazingSaddles

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ha... alright... i guess i'm just trying to convince myself that she is different, that i could be open and honest about everything with her, and she doesn't play the games that everyone says girls play... she is the most stubborn girl i've ever met and her best friend says the same thing. I'm really not whipped i don't think; the past few weekends I haevn't called her and I've been having fun with different grroups of friends. my life is really going well right now this is just bothering me a lot in the back of my mind.

bottom line: b/c she is so stubborn, I am afraid that if I give up trying to get her to get over herself and her attitude, she won't do anything about it and our friendship will be completely lost.
 

LordThing

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this is going to sound harsh, but here goes:

You are in high school. This kinda crap goes on every other week. If she looses interest in like a week, then shrug it off. She is being flighty. Grow some balls and leave her alone. Don't call her, Don't send her anything. Let her come to you if she wants to talk. Now I am not saying be a jerk and never talk to her. Say hi in the halls, talk if she asks you something, but certainly don't go out of your way to talk to her. If she is a friend and wants to be a friend, she will come around after a while and try to patch things up. Stop all your attempts to "talk things out". Screw that. You made your point, she even agrees with you. Let it alone.
 

Chrono

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yah
true that
girls like a challenge
i say just ignore her for a while and she'll come back to you
if not then oh well and go find another girl
there's so many... why be upset over one? go hang with your friends that you've been neglecting because of the girl ;p
 

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