Girl dies after shooting herself while reaching for candy in grandmother’s purse

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Girl dies after shooting herself while reaching for candy in grandmother’s purse

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TAMPA — One day last week, 4-year-old Yanelly Zoller reached into her grandmother's purse looking for candy, her father says.

Instead, she found a gun. She accidently pulled the trigger and was shot in the chest.

Shane Zoller, 22, is the father of three children: one living, another on the way and the little girl he will bury today.

"She just wanted some damn candy," Zoller said Wednesday.

Tampa police are still investigating, but said they have no reason to doubt the story.

The incident happened Sept. 14 at the North Tampa home of Michael and Christie Zoller, who are Yanelly's grandparents.

"I was driving to pick her up with her bathing suit in my car to take her to the splash pads," Shane Zoller said. "When I pulled up, that's when I saw all the police lights."

Yanelly, who went by Nelly, was a perfect mixture of her mother and father, he said. The two shared custody.

"She loved to help daddy work on the car," he said. "She would hand me tools. But she also really liked doing her makeup."

According to the obituary her family wrote, she also loved playing with her puppy, watching the cartoon Shimmer and Shine and jumping on the couch.

Shane Zoller said he was still in high school when he became a father. If his parents had not helped him with Nelly, he said, he would have had to drop out of school.

"She was extremely close to them and would get so excited when she got to stay at her nana's house," he said. "She was attached to her nana's hip."

The family is rasing money for Nelly's funeral costs on crowdfunding websites GoFundMe.com and YouCaring.com.


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UberNeuman

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I'd put her away on manslaughter.


My considerations are thus. Contempt of court is not a violent act. The man no longer holds office. He is no longer a threat to society if he ever was. He is also 85 years old. I'll need to weigh his abuse and/or torture of others if such charges are real and not merely slander. But then I'd be hung up on the lack of conviction for those crimes.

God bless our precious mess.
 

Puffnstuff

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Gramma goin to jail?
Hell no she can't be responsible for a stupid thief's own negligence.:eek: Too many gun owners leave them laying around like they're tv remotes. The NRA will probably step up to defend her now to deflect her negligence.
 

OWR88

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Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Let's legalize grenades!!!! Get to work NRA.
 

Zorba

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It is really sad how many people are so scared of boogeymen, mostly fulled by shitty media, that they ignore the true dangers.

My MIL has talked about getting a CC, "in case she breaks down driving to Texas and someone approaches her." Let me tell you she has no business anywhere near a gun. I think next time it comes up, I'll have my wife let her know she'll have to choose between the accessible gun and seeing her granddaughter. I've personally known too many families that have had to deal with gun accidents. I also knew a lot of kinds that enjoyed playing with their parents guns when I was a kid.

I really wish the NRA and others would do more to push responsible gun ownership and handling, but then that would piss off the nutters that can't feel comfortable without a gun within reach.

Before I get flamed, I am not against gun ownership, I am against irresponsible gun ownership, though.
 

Jaskalas

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God bless our precious mess.

Care to explain yourself? If you have something useful to say now's a good time.

This woman is at least guilty of involuntary manslaughter. She left a loaded weapon in reach of a child, which resulted in that child's death. She's probably in her 40s or 50s. Far removed from nursing home age. Moreover, and regardless, I'd consider anyone mishandling weapons and killing others a threat to society. Furthermore, the charge is probably far less than a life sentence. The summation of what I said is she needs to do time for this.

Not that you could bother to offer an argument at how the two situations are relatable. Or how her killing a child is somehow equal or worse than contempt of court. But if you do rise to the occasion this aught to be a good excuse.
 
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UNCjigga

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If the gun didn't get her, it was only a matter of time before the pitbull did her in...
 

ch33zw1z

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Care to explain yourself? If you have something useful to say now's a good time.

This woman is at least guilty of involuntary manslaughter. She left a loaded weapon in reach of a child, which resulted in that child's death. She's probably in her 40s or 50s. Far removed from nursing home age. Moreover, and regardless, I'd consider anyone mishandling weapons and killing others a threat to society. Furthermore, the charge is probably far less than a life sentence. The summation of what I said is she needs to do time for this.

Not that you could bother to offer an argument at how the two situations are relatable. Or how her killing a child is somehow equal or worse than contempt of court. But if you do rise to the occasion this aught to be a good excuse.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-footage-shows-arpaio-when-he-was-ruthless-joe-the-jailer/

Joe the jailer has impacted society negatively far more than this lady.

But you go ahead and take it to that horrible lady.

How dare she be a nitwit gun owner in america, I'm sure it's just an isolated case.
 
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So...uhm sending the grandmother to jail for the rest of her life accomplishes what good exactly?
 

ch33zw1z

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What level of punishment do you feel would be appropriate for this negligence?

I know you didn't quote me, but I felt inclined to chime in.

I don't feel I have enough information to make a decision like that. I would need some character references for the people involved.

If she's a caring, loving grandmother, she's already being punished. I'm curious if she'll voluntarily give up the gun now.
 

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I know you didn't quote me, but I felt inclined to chime in.

I don't feel I have enough information to make a decision like that. I would need some character references for the people involved.

If she's a caring, loving grandmother, she's already being punished. I'm curious if she'll voluntarily give up the gun now.
Community service. Make her teach gun safety classes or something.

Either this story highlights the undeniable truth about guns. Some estimates out the likelihood of killing a family member with your own gun as opposed to an intruder as 43 times in favor of the former. Even more concerning is that in situations where there is an intruder and the homeowner has a gun, 50% of the time the gun gets taken away and used against the homeowner, often fatally. So many things have to go perfectly right in a home defense with a weapon to avoid incredible disasters. I dunno... I just think if home safety is what people are interested in, start with a nice lock on the door or something.
 

Puffnstuff

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I know you didn't quote me, but I felt inclined to chime in.
Chime away brother.:D
I don't feel I have enough information to make a decision like that. I would need some character references for the people involved.
Error 404 the reference you were looking for is no longer available.:eek:
If she's a caring, loving grandmother, she's already being punished. I'm curious if she'll voluntarily give up the gun now.
Most states have specific laws pertaining to the accessibility of firearms to children and require them to be secured to prevent their unauthorized use. I've had some heated conversations with my right wing parents who refuse to install trigger locks or place guns in a safe while allowing the grandkids to roam the house. There's nothing to prevent them from accessing them which could be disastrous.

Grandma was negligent in that regard and now a precious little girl has perished because of it. This contributory negligence should have severe consequences for her but somehow I can see the NRA coming to her aid to sweep this under the carpet or at least help with deflecting causation..
 
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I know you didn't quote me, but I felt inclined to chime in.

I don't feel I have enough information to make a decision like that. I would need some character references for the people involved.

If she's a caring, loving grandmother, she's already being punished. I'm curious if she'll voluntarily give up the gun now.

More or less this. The likelihood is that she has suffered far more than what is due for this negligence and any behavioral changes in the interest of preventing future negligence would happen spontaneously.

While I agree that this case represents criminal negligence, I feel it unlikely that criminal prosecution amounts to benefit. At least for the child's family.

There is another argument that could be made -- that strict application of the law is necessary for laws to have meaning. And I wouldn't really resist that notion if it seemed that we were anywhere close to consistent and unbiased application of the law in society. Since we are not, I don't think punishing her serves this goal. It would be far better to use equivalent resources on systemic interventions to make the system more just and consistent in application.

And there is yet another argument. I suspect this is the one that is being made unconsciously by those arguing for punishment. And that is one where society benefits for having felt that a bad deed was punished. Thus, we bolster our confidence in justice in the world and our sense of individual goodness for not having committed crimes. Personally, I detest this argument.
 
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sandorski

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Responsible gun owner! Everyone and their dog should have a gun, it'll make the world a better place!!!