Gingrich supporting Overturning Child Labor Laws

[Rangoric]

They already have classes for them. What classes are being taken away?



In other words, you are trying to teach them to be non-employable. Parenting fail.

Other than you, who said they had to enjoy mopping floors? One of the biggest lessons learned is that if they do not take school seriously, they will be forced to do that for the rest of their lives. A good lesson to learn.

Actually, that's not what is going to happen. Since kids are now doing that job they CAN'T have that job when they get older. Which is kinda what seems to be wanted, since those desirable union janitor jobs are just evil.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

They already have classes for them. What classes are being taken away?



In other words, you are trying to teach them to be non-employable. Parenting fail.

Other than you, who said they had to enjoy mopping floors? One of the biggest lessons learned is that if they do not take school seriously, they will be forced to do that for the rest of their lives. A good lesson to learn.

You obviously have reading comprehension problems. You asked me what meaningful concepts they learn in school, I list a few of them, then you counter with the students are in class. Of course mopping floors will detract from either class time, or time to do homework and extracurriculars.

As for parenting fail, I assume you are young and don't have kids - I have higher expectations for my kids than janitorial work or labor. In what world do you live in that being an innovative leader is not employable (opposed to a subservient janitor)?

As for being taught a lesson about the importance of school, parents have a bigger impact on that than the school can ever provide. In fact, many of the kids that I knew in school worked so much, their studies suffered and are now stuck in the same type of shit jobs they had in high school. Short term thinking.

 

[Boris Morozov]

first u get rid of middle class then u overturn child labor laws. step closer to America being third world country. Lol?

 

[sandorski]

Are you dense? Reading, writing, math, science, history - you know, material you learn in school. And, I consider homework to extend that learning. Where did I imply that going to parties was learning. Don't try to misdirect.

And no I am not concerned with trying to teach my kids to be subservient, and be god little employees. I want them to creative, self-starting, and innovative. I expect more from them than enjoying mopping floors at school.

How will they learn, "Yes Massa!" and "How high Massa?

 

[theevilsharpie]

Having worked with a large number of students looking to break into the IT industry, the biggest complaint I've heard by far is that they're stuck in a catch-22: they need experience to get hired, but they can't experience without someone hiring them. I imagine that other white-collar and skilled blue-collar professions are the same way.

Meanwhile, schools, colleges, cities, and other government organizations are facing budget cuts that prevent them hiring, forcing them to put all but the absolutely necessary projects on hold.

You would think that high school and college students desperate for experience and government organizations desperate for cheap/free labor would be a match made in heaven (and discarding child labor laws isn't necessary!), but government organizations are prevented from giving students anything more than menial roles because the contract with the union prevents the government organization from hiring students to perform "career" work.

It's an absolute shame that Newt Gingrich had to poison the discussion of this topic by citing children performing janitorial work as an example, because this is something absolutely worth discussing.

 

[Ausm]

first u get rid of middle class then u overturn child labor laws. step closer to America being third world country. Lol?

The GOP LOVES cheap labor at any cost to the working poor of America.

 

[OutHouse]

Generalize much?

During the school day I want my kids in class learning meaningful skills and content, not mopping the floor. After school, I want them in activities and doing homework, having fun, socializing, and extending their learning - not cleaning toilets. Mopping floors isn't learning, if that is what you want for your kid then it says a lot about you.

i would have no problem with those things and i have 3 teenagers. mopping floors and cleaning toilets can be very educational. it would show them first hand what not doing good in school will get you. a life of cleaning up after the people who did pay attention in school.

if students are made to keep their school clean, pride in their school will soon follow.

 

[cybrsage]

Actually, that's not what is going to happen. Since kids are now doing that job they CAN'T have that job when they get older. Which is kinda what seems to be wanted, since those desirable union janitor jobs are just evil.

Wait...you are saying only schools have janitors? How strange of you to make such a claim.

 

[OutHouse]

You obviously have reading comprehension problems. You asked me what meaningful concepts they learn in school, I list a few of them, then you counter with the students are in class. Of course mopping floors will detract from either class time, or time to do homework and extracurriculars.

As for parenting fail, I assume you are young and don't have kids - I have higher expectations for my kids than janitorial work or labor. In what world do you live in that being an innovative leader is not employable (opposed to a subservient janitor)?

As for being taught a lesson about the importance of school, parents have a bigger impact on that than the school can ever provide. In fact, many of the kids that I knew in school worked so much, their studies suffered and are now stuck in the same type of shit jobs they had in high school. Short term thinking.

Blah blah blah MY LITTLE SUZIE IS TOO GOOD TO MOP THE FLOOR!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH

yea you are are 100% parenting fail.

 

[cybrsage]

You obviously have reading comprehension problems. You asked me what meaningful concepts they learn in school, I list a few of them, then you counter with the students are in class. Of course mopping floors will detract from either class time, or time to do homework and extracurriculars.

Yes, it detracts from party time. Like all jobs do. Have you ever had a job? If so, then you already know this.

As for parenting fail, I assume you are young and don't have kids - I have higher expectations for my kids than janitorial work or labor. In what world do you live in that being an innovative leader is not employable (opposed to a subservient janitor)?

Then why are you teaching them that having parties is more important than work?

As for being taught a lesson about the importance of school, parents have a bigger impact on that than the school can ever provide. In fact, many of the kids that I knew in school worked so much, their studies suffered and are now stuck in the same type of shit jobs they had in high school. Short term thinking.

You are now pretending parents actually parent. You are pretending we are in the 1800s still.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

i would have no problem with those things and i have 3 teenagers. mopping floors and cleaning toilets can be very educational. it would show them first hand what not doing good in school will get you. a life of cleaning up after the people who did pay attention in school.

if students are made to keep their school clean, pride in their school will soon follow.

Your logic is flawed. So, making them clean the school will give them pride in it? Is that just like doing their chemistry homework gives them pride in it? That wasn't my experience as a teen, in fact, I would take a guess that forcing your teenagers to do whatever it is you do, doesn't exactly make them prideful. Pride doesn't come from being forced to do something. Plus, your kids have got to pretty damn dumb to not understand that if they don't take their studies seriously, they limit their future potential. Maybe your kids need to scrub shit off of toilets to know they don't want to do that for a living, mine do not.

PS - Capitalization would be nice in a thread about what is important in education if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Blah blah blah MY LITTLE SUZIE IS TOO GOOD TO MOP THE FLOOR!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH

yea you are are 100% parenting fail.

Yeah, that must be it. Suzie can mop the floor at home, she should be focused on school work at school.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Yes, it detracts from party time. Like all jobs do. Have you ever had a job? If so, then you already know this.



Then why are you teaching them that having parties is more important than work?



You are now pretending parents actually parent. You are pretending we are in the 1800s still.

I have come to the conclusion that you are incapable of following a train of thought, you fool. Did I ever mention party time? I am well aware of what it takes to have a "job" and I am willing to bet I have a better idea of what that means than you.

And some parents do actually parent, it is obvious that yours didn't.