Gingerbread not for sub-1Ghz CPUs, on LG phones

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vshah

vshah

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probably some dumb pr intern spouting off without knowing. although maybe there is some weight to it as it is a MSM7227 which is an arm v6 cpu (not A8 level)
 
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QueBert

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My D1 even OC'ed like crazy still feels sluggish a lot of the times. 2.3 has no GPU acceleration and needs better hardware to run nicely. I think I'll be avoiding upgrading my D1. I understand 2.3 doesn't need a 1ghz CPU but what I've read it is more resouce intensive.
 
Bateluer

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QueBert said:
My D1 even OC'ed like crazy still feels sluggish a lot of the times. 2.3 has no GPU acceleration and needs better hardware to run nicely. I think I'll be avoiding upgrading my D1. I understand 2.3 doesn't need a 1ghz CPU but what I've read it is more resouce intensive.
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Not sure what you're doing to your D1, mine flies. Filling every screen with widgets? Only lag I get is right after the launcher loads on initial boot and when I try operating the phone while an app is installing. Rest of the time, its perfectly smooth.
 
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DisgruntledVirus

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Bateluer said:
Not sure what you're doing to your D1, mine flies. Filling every screen with widgets? Only lag I get is right after the launcher loads on initial boot and when I try operating the phone while an app is installing. Rest of the time, its perfectly smooth.
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From my experience, it depends on the kernel/ROM combo. Some are crappy together, while others work very well. It also seems if over time an OS slows down for whatever reason.
 
QueBert

QueBert

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Bateluer said:
Not sure what you're doing to your D1, mine flies. Filling every screen with widgets? Only lag I get is right after the launcher loads on initial boot and when I try operating the phone while an app is installing. Rest of the time, its perfectly smooth.
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no widgets I hate them, running Chevys 1.1 kernel. Android desperately needs GPU acceleration, I guess we have a different opinion of what flying is.
 
Gooberlx2

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vshah said:
probably some dumb pr intern spouting off without knowing. although maybe there is some weight to it as it is a MSM7227 which is an arm v6 cpu (not A8 level)
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I hope. Since there aren't any really radical differences between 2.2 and 2.3, I see no reason why LG couldn't upgrade them. 2.2 runs really well on my Optimus S and so far I have no regrets switching to it from a Pre, despite the inferior CPU/GPU.
 
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zerocool84

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QueBert said:
My D1 even OC'ed like crazy still feels sluggish a lot of the times. 2.3 has no GPU acceleration and needs better hardware to run nicely. I think I'll be avoiding upgrading my D1. I understand 2.3 doesn't need a 1ghz CPU but what I've read it is more resouce intensive.
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Just because your Droid 1 is overclocked to 1GHz doesn't make it equal to the more recent 1GHz phones. It's more than just clockspeed. And where did you get 2.3 was more resource intensive??? There have been no reviews on it yet.
 
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Suspicious-Teach8788

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zerocool84 said:
Just because your Droid 1 is overclocked to 1GHz doesn't make it equal to the more recent 1GHz phones. It's more than just clockspeed. And where did you get 2.3 was more resource intensive??? There have been no reviews on it yet.
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Droid 1 is equal to the "more recent" 1ghz phones. The D2 and Dx use the same architecture TI OMAP processor. The difference in them is the GPU speed, but this is not an issue for the UI.

Most OMAP benches show that clock for clock the OMAP beats out the Snapdragon too, so what gives?

I think it's easy to blame the D1 for being old, but at the same time, QueBert and I are a little more picky about lag because we have iDevices we compare to.

But regarding the comment about 2.3 being more resource intensive, I'm not sure. I think the 2.x series should be roughly the same speed if not progressively faster. Unless there's some major UI overhaul, I can't see it being that big of a resource hog.
 
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I think if you don't run some kind of custom rom on an Android device your smartphone is gonna be quite laggy.

My friends collectively have the D1, DX, and Galaxy S. All of them were stock and all of them had lag. I think if you wait for Honeycomb the lag problems may be alleviated. From my experience though my friends don't notice the lag because they've never used an iPhone/iPod Touch before.

I remember I was the same way when I used an Android device way back. I knew something was quite not right until I picked up an iPhone and could clearly see the speed difference.
 
Bateluer

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I think it's easy to blame the D1 for being old, but at the same time, QueBert and I are a little more picky about lag because we have iDevices we compare to.
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You three just love your iDevices. But, you buy Android devices to complain about them. I have an iPod myself, but it'll likely be the last Apple product I buy. Their new iPod designs don't suit my needs for a PMP.

But regarding the comment about 2.3 being more resource intensive, I'm not sure. I think the 2.x series should be roughly the same speed if not progressively faster. Unless there's some major UI overhaul, I can't see it being that big of a resource hog.
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This. GB may want a little more RAM than Froyo, but based on what we've seen, there's no reason why there'd be any significant increase in system requirements.

Saw this link on Engadget this morning.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/

Why people continue to buy Samsung phones, I have no idea. You know you're likely not going to get an official OS update ever. Buying their products sets a VERY bad precedent, better to buy products from the companies that actually support them.
 
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zoiks

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MrX8503 said:
I think if you don't run some kind of custom rom on an Android device your smartphone is gonna be quite laggy.

My friends collectively have the D1, DX, and Galaxy S. All of them were stock and all of them had lag. I think if you wait for Honeycomb the lag problems may be alleviated. From my experience though my friends don't notice the lag because they've never used an iPhone/iPod Touch before.

I remember I was the same way when I used an Android device way back. I knew something was quite not right until I picked up an iPhone and could clearly see the speed difference.
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I love my N1. The iPhone feels now like a toy and should be for girls only.
BTW, yep the screen lag is slightly choppier on the N1 but I didn't see any noticeable speed differences compared to the ip4.
 
destrekor

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Bateluer said:
You three just love your iDevices. But, you buy Android devices to complain about them. I have an iPod myself, but it'll likely be the last Apple product I buy. Their new iPod designs don't suit my needs for a PMP.



This. GB may want a little more RAM than Froyo, but based on what we've seen, there's no reason why there'd be any significant increase in system requirements.

Saw this link on Engadget this morning.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/

Why people continue to buy Samsung phones, I have no idea. You know you're likely not going to get an official OS update ever. Buying their products sets a VERY bad precedent, better to buy products from the companies that actually support them.
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I don't have anything Apple, but I will say this: I appreciate a smooth UI. My OC'd Droid (D1) flies in almost every aspect, and as long as I'm not trying to do many things at once (in which case I'd have fair expectations of performance stutters), lag isn't a huge issue. It is there at times, but between a well-coded launcher, a good kernel, and the right settings including a good CPU governor... lag while doing nothing isn't common at all.
I will say though, that it is there, but hardly perceptible. If you're used to iDevices, sure it might be easier to pick - and I'm trying not to obsess over random trivial things on something I absolutely enjoy using. So, there is lag, but most instances I will certainly argue it is not perceptible.
Allowing GPU-acceleration for UI processes would be awesome, as that's the only way to get around performance stutters.

I haven't played around with my phone's configuration for awhile (which is something I am shocked about, but CM 6.0 has been super-awesome for me), so I cannot recall version numbers. But I am using one of Slayher's kernels, with also includes a new (at that time) "Interactive" Governor. Found it is far superior to the other available Governors in SetCPU.
 
QueBert

QueBert

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MrX8503 said:
I think if you don't run some kind of custom rom on an Android device your smartphone is gonna be quite laggy.

My friends collectively have the D1, DX, and Galaxy S. All of them were stock and all of them had lag. I think if you wait for Honeycomb the lag problems may be alleviated. From my experience though my friends don't notice the lag because they've never used an iPhone/iPod Touch before.

I remember I was the same way when I used an Android device way back. I knew something was quite not right until I picked up an iPhone and could clearly see the speed difference.
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You hit the nail on the head, if all I'd ever used was my D1 it would be fast to me. But anyone who's used both and still claims Android isn't laggy is either lying or they're one of the people who can be on a 10 year old LCD with a 20ms response time and not notice the lag. I've never said my D1's slow, but with the max OC it's still not as snappy as my 1g iPod was. We're not talking the latest or even the 3GS, I'm talking the 1st model.
 
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destrekor

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QueBert said:
You hit the nail on the head, if all I'd ever used was my D1 it would be fast to me. But anyone who's used both and still claims Android isn't laggy is either lying or they're one of the people who can be on a 10 year old LCD with a 20ms response time and not notice the lag. I've never said my D1's slow, but with the max OC it's still not as snappy as my 1g iPod was. We're not talking the latest or even the 3GS, I'm talking the 1st model.
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Well, it's not exactly optimized.

Are you running a custom ROM at all, besides having the device rooted and OC'd?

Stock Android, at least as handled by Motorola, isn't exactly fit to the device like a custom glove. It's supposed to be, but for some reason they slacked on their duties.

Cyanogen Mod has a lot of deep customizations and tweaks that have been produced by various groups using the Android Source itself, as well as utilizing more specific tweaks that truly take advantage of every drop of performance the phone's hardware will allow (so, in a sense, almost like super-evolved drivers for the hardware, in comparison to the fairly minimal and less-optimum code at stock).

CM itself, as well as moving away from the stock Android Launcher, was alone enough to bring the UI into a realm of smoothness that stock couldn't even imagine.
Granted, I said smooth - not perfectly fluid. No software and hardware configuration can achieve that with GPU utilization.

However, considering how much more potential Android as an OS offers over iOS, I'll gladly sacrifice a little bit of fluidity in the UI if it means there is more to offer everywhere else. Which indeed is the case.
 
Raduque

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Lol, Samsung said they don't know if they're going to put Gingerbread on the Gal-S.... then Samsung India said they will.

Samsung fail.

Viralblack from #teamwhiskey is getting a Nexus-S. #tw will probably have a Gingerbread port a couple days later.

Bet it still won't fix the 2.2 SDCard issues.
 
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this is what every phone carrier says everytime there is an upgrade. yet my sprint hero which came with 1.5 is happily running CM6.1 2.2 and its FASTER than it was back when I got it, and tbh keeps getting faster as more dev goes into CM6.1. I'm pretty confident i'll be running CM7 (just guesssing) with 2.3 by end of january since AOSP already has a alpha of 2.3 running on the sprint hero
 
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