GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Raid Problems

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Steven the Leech

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If I use 2 36g Raptor in raid 0 and 2 ide optical devices I get buffer underruns and performance slowdown [significant stalling/stuttering] with Windows XP, while burning with either IDE optical device[all differnt file formats data/iso/cue/test/video/bin/cue]. Over the past week I have tried different config/setups/reinstalls with no fix for the problem. I can use 1 raptor in ide mode on SATA port, and everything works fine. Anytime the gsata controller in bios is set to IDE/Raid I cannot use IDE optical devices to burn. I have talked with Gigabyte technical support and felt like it was only a waste of my time as they would not acknowledge the problem existed, and their patent answer was to disable all startup programs, towards the end of the weeklong TS support Q and A for them I at least figured out that they would not be able to help me as my daily response from them was worthless, and may have been helpful for a novice user, I felt like I was talking to a CSR that had no knowledge about their product. It usually took 24 hours for them to reply to my answers, which is probably not bad, but the solutions and acknoledgemnt of the problem was never there. Then last Fri the communication from the stopped after they asked me if I had 2 non raptor sata drives in RAID to try out.

I was wondering if there was any one who had this board experience the same problem with raid? [I read on extreme oc site that there was users with the exact same problem].

And more importantly is there a fix?
 
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Lord Evermore

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Are the optical drives set to UDMA mode in Windows, or PIO mode? UDMA mode 2 should be auto-detected but sometimes Windows sets a port to be PIO mode only, instead of DMA mode if available.

The IDE port on that board isn't even controlled by the Intel chipset, it's controlled by the add-in controller, so the data is going over the PCI (ooh, it's actually PCI-Express) bus to the other controller. You don't have the Raptors plugged into the ports on the add-in controller do you? I don't think the add-in IDE ports like that even support more than one device on the cable, and definitely don't support both SATA ports and the IDE port to be active at the same time.

Hmm, the manual says it supports 2 IDE devices. The manual also refers to the notch in the IDE port as "foolproof". :D

Do you have the Integrated Peripherals page in the BIOS set to have the SATA ports 0-3 set to "native mode"?

Ooh, I see that the setting for the channel to RAID/IDE mode does actually apply to the Gigabyte controller, not the Intel controller. So that answers which ports you have them plugged into. Too bad you didn't get a board with Intel RAID.

I think you've run into a limitation of the Gigabyte SATA chipset. It may simply not be able to handle the use of both SATA ports and the IDE connections at the same time, if it's also doing RAID. Very poor system design if that's the case, to make the only IDE ports available also make it impossible to use the only RAID controller.

By the way, fix your systemrigs link.

http://www.anandtech.com/myanandtech.aspx?member=3753

 
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Steven the Leech

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Do you have the Integrated Peripherals page in the BIOS set to have the SATA ports 0-3 set to "native mode"?

I have tried all available, legacy etc with no help. The Gsata is the only sata controller that supports raid on this board. I too feel that there is a limitation of the giga sata/ide controller, although I am not an engineer, hopefully it can be fixed with a bios revision. I can boot into a CD program [windows XP/Acronis] with raid and Ide devices functioning, at the same time, form the IDE optical, it will set up windows just fine. Acronis True image does not see the raid drives properly to backup/restore an image [I think the latest revision may] so I am unwilling to do a lengthy install again until i find a solution.

Again the only time I see a problem is when I burn something with the IDE optical with RAID setup on the GSATA controller and BIOS set to IDE/Raid. I enable IDE/RAID in BIOS and changed nothing except that [with the raptor single on Intel controller] and immediately started having problems with burning.

Yes I wish it had raid on the Intel controller too, I would definitely go for a DS4 or DQ6 [as they both have Intel Raid support] if I knew that the DS3's IDE/RAID didnt work together properly.

This board is excellent except for that one problem. Overclocks like crazy [my 805 will oc to 4ghz [flaky] on air, currently a 3.4 without a hitch]. Easy to setup windows.

Hopefully by the time my E660 gets here there will be a fix, if not i will just get rid of my 2 IDE optical devices and use my Plextor SATA. Or just do away with RAID completely.
 
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Wow. I wish I had read this thread earlier. I just set up a DS3 rig with an E6400. I have 2 Seagate 7200.10s in RAID0, and a dvd-rom and dvd-burner on IDE. Everything flies EXCEPT for installing things from dvd and burning dvds. I am getting frequent buffer underruns as well. My mouse all of a sudden turns sluggish.
 
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Lord Evermore

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Gigabyte: What are you talking about? Of course there's never been any problem with our SATA controller. Nobody else has complained about this buffer underrun thing. We didn't change anything in our BIOS to fix this problem, there was no problem. You must have done something wrong and accidentally fixed it yourself. Boy are you stupid.
 
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Steven the Leech

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Gigabyte: What are you talking about? Of course there's never been any problem with our SATA controller. Nobody else has complained about this buffer underrun thing. We didn't change anything in our BIOS to fix this problem, there was no problem. You must have done something wrong and accidentally fixed it yourself. Boy are you stupid.
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LOL i been getting that stuff for 1 1/2 weeks now.
 
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Steven the Leech

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The f4c bios fixed the problems with raid/ide, burns adequately now. I cannot find a backup software that supports the new ICH8 and Gigabyte Sata controllers properly, all [mainly Acronis] sees my raid drive as 2 seperate drives.

BTW thanks nccr
 
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Lord Evermore

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Originally posted by: Steven the Leech
The f4c bios fixed the problems with raid/ide, burns adequately now. I cannot find a backup software that supports the new ICH8 and Gigabyte Sata controllers properly, all [mainly Acronis] sees my raid drive as 2 seperate drives.
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I don't know how that's even possible. The software doesn't interact with the hard drives directly, it reads the Windows file system, or the partition table if you were using something like Ghost that can copy a partition entirely.
 
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bob ross

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Originally posted by: nccr
Okay. Just fixed the problem. You need to download the beta F4C bios from here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109719.
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Hi,

I'm still getting dodgy DVD-R performance although I upgraded to the F4C bios. Anyone else experiencing this? I posted this over at OC fourms but nobody responded:

"I've been scouring forums with mixed results on this issue. Apparently when using RAID on a DS3 board, all IDE devices are stuck in PIO mode. Someone linked a beta F4C bios that was suppose to fix the problem, I have flashed my bios with this version but my DVD-R drives still seem very sluggish. The drives spin up, pause, and seem to buffer data. General access of the drive are very slow even though in windows device manager says DMA mode 5.

Anyone have a simmilar experience? Man this mobo kicks ass except for this one HUGE issue."

Thanks in advance,
BR
 
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