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Discussion Gigabyte dreaming up 'fake phases' for their boards apparently?

mikeymikec

mikeymikec

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Old video, I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here:

I haven't trusted Gigabyte for a long time (capacitor plague, their boards really suffered from it back then), though I am a bit surprised that a motherboard manufacturer would try to take advantage of people who have gone out of their way to know a bit but not quite enough (people like me frankly), and I'd say "lesson learnt" but I'm not sure precisely what the lesson is unless I start tearing down boards myself and checking what each key component is capable of and whether that jibes with what the board manufacturer is claiming.
 
My experience with the bad cap era was that no manufacturer was immune. I had MSI and Epox boards die like flies.

The power delivery stuff is important. Particularly for the higher end CPUs and serious overclockers. Shady practices by board makers are definitely not consumer friendly. However, if I start boycotting every one that pulls some chicanery, I would be out of choices in a few years. And these companies do respond well when they get enough bad tech press and user hate. For example: The Gigabyte B550 boards have excellent VRMs pretty much all the way down the stack.
 
Haven't all the manufacturers been doing this for 10+ years? Although it's misleading marketing to call them phases, it's more important that the VRM can supply enough amperage and run cool. Buildzoid and some of the reviewers have encouraged board manufacturers to stop calling them phases but I don't know how much of an impact it's had.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
My experience with the bad cap era was that no manufacturer was immune. I had MSI and Epox boards die like flies.

The power delivery stuff is important. Particularly for the higher end CPUs and serious overclockers. Shady practices by board makers are definitely not consumer friendly. However, if I start boycotting every one that pulls some chicanery, I would be out of choices in a few years. And these companies do respond well when they get enough bad tech press and user hate. For example: The Gigabyte B550 boards have excellent VRMs pretty much all the way down the stack.
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Hardware Unboxed has been running VRM thermal testing on B550 boards, and surprisingly Gigabyte is showing very badly overall thus far. Asrock didn't come out all that well, either. Surprisingly, MSI (for all their other troubles, plentiful as they are) is looking really good at least with this issue.

Most recent installment released today is here and includes combined results thus far from prior installment towards the end:

 
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@Steltek

Thanks, I was basing it on buildzoid's breakdown video a while back.

EDIT: I just skimmed that vid, and every 550 board did just fine with the CPUs you should be pairing with a $150 board. Anyone pairing a OC 3950x with one, cheesed hard.
 
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DAPUNISHER said:
@Steltek

Thanks, I was basing it on buildzoid's breakdown video a while back.

EDIT: I just skimmed that vid, and every 550 board did just fine with the CPUs you should be pairing with a $150 board. Anyone pairing a OC 3950x with one, cheesed hard.
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By the looks of it, the video on the B450 is simply old and no longer relevant. Looking at the comments it appears that Gigabyte even changed their marketing on B450 boards. From what I vaguelly recall, the B450 and B350 market was a bit of a trainwreck and was always surprised when folks would recommend them even after X570\B550 hit the market.

Going by the B550 video, aside from 2 boards even a 3950x could be paired as longs as you don't go nuts overclocking.

Wonder if there is a B550 version of this article floating around
www.kitguru.net

X570 VRM Temperature Analysis – LUKE Deep Dive! - KitGuru

The £210 price point is where we start to see X570 motherboards with an alluring set of features and
www.kitguru.net www.kitguru.net

and of course there is this
docs.google.com

B550 VRM DB sheet

docs.google.com docs.google.com
and this
docs.google.com

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07)

docs.google.com docs.google.com
 
DAPUNISHER said:
@Steltek

Thanks, I was basing it on buildzoid's breakdown video a while back.

EDIT: I just skimmed that vid, and every 550 board did just fine with the CPUs you should be pairing with a $150 board. Anyone pairing a OC 3950x with one, cheesed hard.
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Really? The fact is B550 motherboards are supposed to be compatible with the 3950X cpu, full stop. Not talking overclocking, just running the cpu at stock settings.

And you're not looking long term, either. What if someone buys a B550 today.....and then upgrades his/her cpu to a 3950X when the next gen comes out....which would be a semi-logical upgrade path to save some $$$, esp. when the mb claims to support such a cpu?

No, the expectations of this, or any other motherboard, is to properly support listed compatible cpus. Again, not talking OC'ing, just running it stock. If it cannot, or doesn't, that ends up being a problem from the mb manufacturer, don't you think? Kinda like fraud?
 
I personally don't understand the obsession with "more phases"
What is the point of more phases if the CPU boosts no higher?
It is just an arms race that increases costs with minimal returns.

Overclocking?
No sane Ryzen user overclocks, PBO is smart enough to know when to boost.
Unless you need the highest speed in ALL the cores ALL the time, overclocking belongs to the past.
Even on several entry level A320 boards, the power phases are enough to run a 3950x stock fine.

I guess those cases with a liquid cooled CPU and very poor airflow in the case are the ones that justify the better phases
 
Meghan54 said:
Really? The fact is B550 motherboards are supposed to be compatible with the 3950X cpu, full stop. Not talking overclocking, just running the cpu at stock settings.

And you're not looking long term, either. What if someone buys a B550 today.....and then upgrades his/her cpu to a 3950X when the next gen comes out....which would be a semi-logical upgrade path to save some $$$, esp. when the mb claims to support such a cpu?

No, the expectations of this, or any other motherboard, is to properly support listed compatible cpus. Again, not talking OC'ing, just running it stock. If it cannot, or doesn't, that ends up being a problem from the mb manufacturer, don't you think? Kinda like fraud?
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Fraud? Nope. As @alexruiz stated, even the A320 can run it. Just don't expect it to perform as well, as on a superior board, on sustained work loads.

And as to my opinion about cheesing it, the scenario you presented is exactly what I am talking about. This is the DIY market, not OEM or S.I. If you cheese on the board now, no one is to blame but yourself for not following the 5 P's when you bought your kit. It would be similar to buying a budget Intel chipset that does not support overclocking with a locked CPU, then buying a K series years later. It will run just fine, but it will not realize the full performance it can offer. Sure, the board supports it, but is not capable of leveraging all it has to offer. I may even be overstating it with that analogy, the 3950x would probably see closer to its performance potential than the K series would.
 
alexruiz said:
I personally don't understand the obsession with "more phases"
What is the point of more phases if the CPU boosts no higher?
It is just an arms race that increases costs with minimal returns.

Overclocking?
No sane Ryzen user overclocks, PBO is smart enough to know when to boost.
Unless you need the highest speed in ALL the cores ALL the time, overclocking belongs to the past.
Even on several entry level A320 boards, the power phases are enough to run a 3950x stock fine.

I guess those cases with a liquid cooled CPU and very poor airflow in the case are the ones that justify the better phases
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Yes, more phases is beeter option. But not for any 6/12 or 8/16 Ryzen 3000 CPU.Same story goes for new 6/12 or 8/16 Zen 3 Ryzen 4000 series.

For example, Gigabyte A520 motherboard/4+3 Phase vs 16/32 Ryzen CPU defolt setings.

Well, as we see user is not allowed to kill Gigabyte motherboard.


So if someone buy R5 3600 or R7 3700X, do we need much stronger or beeter(motherboard for 150$) power delivery?The answer is no, it is a waste of money no doubt.
 
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