Giant sucking sound

[Fanatical Meat]

I am sorry Mr. Perot for laughing at your rants, turns out you were absolutely correct about trade agreements and job loss. I've heard the giant sucking sound you spoke about. Going forward I will be aware of what you spoke of and not be so quick to dismiss any 3rd party candidates.

 

[brianmanahan]

i didn't vote for him because he interrupted the NLCS game i was trying to watch in 1992 with his charts infomercial

also because i was like 10 years old

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I voted for Ross in 92.

 

[Greenman]

Perot was crazy, but I don't think he was far wrong.

 

[Matt1970]

We were warned long before that, but ya, he was right.

 

[Anarchist420]

how are the sugar quotas a net benefit to america? how did Reagan banning imports from japan increase the quality of life in america?

doesnt having a 25% tariff on all imports means that ford will have to spend more on american made tires rather than being able to hire employees? doesnt everyone pay somewhere?

 

[boomerang]

What he spoke of was little more than common sense. Unfortunately, the ability to understand common sense is a rarity in this country.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

how are the sugar quotas a net benefit to america? how did Reagan banning imports from japan increase the quality of life in america?

doesnt having a 25% tariff on all imports means that ford will have to spend more on american made tires rather than being able to hire employees? doesnt everyone pay somewhere?

These are all true in a sense. Perot spoke more about it will be impossible to compete against countries with low wages, low employee benefits and countries that will have a huge amount of people that are willing to work for next to nothing.
If I remember correctly he predicted the steel industry being hit first.

 

[zephyrprime]

I am sorry Mr. Perot for laughing at your rants, turns out you were absolutely correct about trade agreements and job loss. I've heard the giant sucking sound you spoke about. Going forward I will be aware of what you spoke of and not be so quick to dismiss any 3rd party candidates.

You know, the only reason people dismissed him was because he didn't look or act enough like a leader in superficial ways. Here you had to funny looking short dude. He was nerdy and used powerpoint slides to back his argument. The populace is a bunch of stupid sheep who have no brains. They want to follow a guy who looks alpha, like Dwayne Johnson but older.

 

[werepossum]

You know, the only reason people dismissed him was because he didn't look or act enough like a leader in superficial ways. Here you had to funny looking short dude. He was nerdy and used powerpoint slides to back his argument. The populace is a bunch of stupid sheep who have no brains. They want to follow a guy who looks alpha, like Dwayne Johnson but older.

Hey, I was on board with Perot until he went crazy and suspended his campaign on the grounds that the CIA was conspiring to ruin his daughter's wedding.

 

[chucky2]

You know, the only reason people dismissed him was because he didn't look or act enough like a leader in superficial ways. Here you had to funny looking short dude. He was nerdy and used powerpoint slides to back his argument. The populace is a bunch of stupid sheep who have no brains. They want to follow a guy who looks alpha, like Dwayne Johnson but older.

I listened to a group of women on the train one day seriously debate who they were going to vote for based on how much they liked the candidates smile. I wonder why that's why we keep having such jokes of Politicians elected (along with corruption)...

 

[First]

Perot was wrong about free trade. What he was right about was fair trade. They're very different. Fair trade is both a job creator and a quality-of-life improvement for Americans (and the world generally). Unfair trade leads to job loss, though can still lead to improvements in quality of life elsewhere because top-notch, inexpensive goods are still being produced.

Unfair trade includes agreements with nations, China in particular, where the underlying currency itself is distorted; i.e. the yuan. Were the Chinese gov't allow it to continue to strengthen vs. the U.S. dollar, their exports wouldn't be nearly as competitive and U.S. traders would have a stronger hand to play with.

 

[zephyrprime]

I listened to a group of women on the train one day seriously debate who they were going to vote for based on how much they liked the candidates smile. I wonder why that's why we keep having such jokes of Politicians elected (along with corruption)...

I seriously think that people shouldn't even be allowed to vote unless they complete an education course on government offered outside of highschool, pass an exam, and write a 5000 word essay describing their political philosophy.

 

[fskimospy]

I listened to a group of women on the train one day seriously debate who they were going to vote for based on how much they liked the candidates smile. I wonder why that's why we keep having such jokes of Politicians elected (along with corruption)...

Most people here base their votes on little more than that, they just convince themselves that they are more informed because they mistake reading a lot of news that they agree with for being informed.

 

[Greenman]

Most people here base their votes on little more than that, they just convince themselves that they are more informed because they mistake reading a lot of news that they agree with for being informed.

I wouldn't say "most people here", I'd say "most people".

I also believe that there is a substantial segment that votes purely on the promise of free stuff. Be that tax breaks, medical care, or a monthly check.

 

[fskimospy]

I wouldn't say "most people here", I'd say "most people".

I would agree!

I also believe that there is a substantial segment that votes purely on the promise of free stuff. Be that tax breaks, medical care, or a monthly check.

There's not a lot of evidence for that: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/dependency-and-romneys-47-percenters/

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Most people here base their votes on little more than that, they just convince themselves that they are more informed because they mistake reading a lot of news that they agree with for being informed.

My family gets furious with me when I tell them I'm not voting in a particular election. "You have to vote, it's your duty as an American!" "No, my duty is to be an informed voter. I'm not informed about any of the issues or candidates currently on the ballot. It's against my personal philosophy to vote from a position of ignorance, and as I am ignorant of the issues on this ballot, I will not vote. Now kindly fuck off." They won't accept that as a rational reason to refrain from voting for some reason, like I should just pick a party and vote lock-step with whatever they endorse. What a profoundly disturbing way to exercise one's rights.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Food for thought Playboy. Use the write in, then you are showing you're willing to take the time to vote but no candidate fits your needs.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Food for thought Playboy. Use the write in, then you are showing you're willing to take the time to vote but no candidate fits your needs.

The "time to vote" is not the issue. It's the time to educate myself about ballot initiatives or candidates. If I'm not willing to do that (and in a lot of smaller local elections, I'm not), then I consider it my patriotic duty not to vote as I don't feel I'll be helping democracy by voting from a position of ignorance. If everyone else felt the same way I did, our country would be a lot better off. We'd have voting percentages in the single digits, but from a much more informed populace.

 

[SMOGZINN]

The "time to vote" is not the issue. It's the time to educate myself about ballot initiatives or candidates. If I'm not willing to do that (and in a lot of smaller local elections, I'm not), then I consider it my patriotic duty not to vote as I don't feel I'll be helping democracy by voting from a position of ignorance. If everyone else felt the same way I did, our country would be a lot better off. We'd have voting percentages in the single digits, but from a much more informed populace.

That used to be true. But the parties had found ways to use that to their advantage. They now count on people like you not voting. They intentionally make the issues difficult to understand, good information hard to track down, and intentionally try to keep good voters out of the poll booths. This way they can insure that the majority of the people voting are those that are easy to manipulate. The the foolish that that believe their lies, naive that don't know better, and the fanatic that don't care as long as their side wins.

 

[chucky2]

My family gets furious with me when I tell them I'm not voting in a particular election. "You have to vote, it's your duty as an American!" "No, my duty is to be an informed voter. I'm not informed about any of the issues or candidates currently on the ballot. It's against my personal philosophy to vote from a position of ignorance, and as I am ignorant of the issues on this ballot, I will not vote. Now kindly fuck off." They won't accept that as a rational reason to refrain from voting for some reason, like I should just pick a party and vote lock-step with whatever they endorse. What a profoundly disturbing way to exercise one's rights.

Do what I do, just vote for the 3rd party projected to get the most votes. At least you're not giving your vote to Entrenched Politician party (of which there are two groups).

 

[BoberFett]

Perot was wrong about free trade. What he was right about was fair trade. They're very different. Fair trade is both a job creator and a quality-of-life improvement for Americans (and the world generally). Unfair trade leads to job loss, though can still lead to improvements in quality of life elsewhere because top-notch, inexpensive goods are still being produced.

Unfair trade includes agreements with nations, China in particular, where the underlying currency itself is distorted; i.e. the yuan. Were the Chinese gov't allow it to continue to strengthen vs. the U.S. dollar, their exports wouldn't be nearly as competitive and U.S. traders would have a stronger hand to play with.

Aren't you one of the ones always claiming that the US economy isn't like a family budget, because we control our currency and can inflate away debt?

So which is it? Is currency manipulation good or bad? Or is it moral when we manipulate our currency, and immoral when other countries do it to us?

 

[gotsmack]

My family gets furious with me when I tell them I'm not voting in a particular election. "You have to vote, it's your duty as an American!" "No, my duty is to be an informed voter. I'm not informed about any of the issues or candidates currently on the ballot. It's against my personal philosophy to vote from a position of ignorance, and as I am ignorant of the issues on this ballot, I will not vote. Now kindly fuck off." They won't accept that as a rational reason to refrain from voting for some reason, like I should just pick a party and vote lock-step with whatever they endorse. What a profoundly disturbing way to exercise one's rights.

Doesn't matter, both sides aren't going to keep their promises anyway. Best bet is to vote for a 3rd party to break the 2 party system. Right now we need to mix things up enough to get people excited about voting again,