Giant space shield plan to save planet

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Humanity could not exist without it - yet in an extraordinary plan that underlines the catastrophic implications of climate change, scientists now want to curb the Sun's life-giving influence to save mankind from its biggest threat: global warming.
Key talks involving the Government's most senior climate experts have produced proposals to site a massive shield on the edge of space that would deflect the Sun's rays and stabilise the climate.

Hundreds of thousands of tonnes of metallic 'scatterers' would be ejected into the upper atmosphere under the plans. In addition, billions of tiny barrage balloons could serve as a secondary barrier to block rays from the Earth's nearest star.

On land, giant reservoirs holding saline water could be built to offset the rise in sea levels caused by the melting of the polar ice-caps. The oceans, too, would be modified to cope with the planet's increasingly warmer weather. Massive floating cloud-making machines would be dotted across their surface while, below, large plantations of algae would be grown to absorb greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

The theories were discussed by Britain's most eminent climatologists at a meeting in Cambridge last week to analyse the latest theories to tackle the problem of the planet heating up. They included the Government's chief scientist, Sir David King, who warned last week that climate change was the most severe problem facing civilisation.

Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre, said: 'These are exotic ideas and we probably will have to come up with the right mixture. But the problem has not gone away, so we think this analysis is just in time.

'The present climate policy does not seem to be working. We are not saying we have the magic bullet, but this is a desperate situation and people should start thinking about the unconventional. Preventative plans on a larger scale are needed.'

Environmentalists maintain that the solutions are so radical they serve only to underscore how unprepared governments are to deal with the threat. Last week researchers predicted that a quarter of land animals and plants will die out because of global warming over the next 50 years.

Scientists, however, argue that until the United States and Russia ratify international agreements to limit the emission of greenhouse gases they will have little choice but to explore new methods to save the planet.

Extreme technological fixes include deploying tens of billions of wafer-thin metal plates less than a centimetre wide into the Earth's low orbit via space rockets. These would be specially built to allow space-bound rays to pass while at the same time absorbing a significant amount of solar energy before bouncing it back into space. They would be designed to stay in place for a century.

Similar solutions include the release of massive nets of ultra-fine metal mesh into the upper atmosphere by aircraft to prevent the Sun's rays from reaching Earth. Alternatively, millions of metallic-coated super-pressure balloons - similar in design to a children's party version, although a fraction of the size - would be filled with helium and released until they reach the stratosphere 35,000ft above the Earth. Trapped in parcels of air, they would stay up for about five years before falling to earth and being replaced.

All the methods are designed to block about 1 per cent of the Sun's rays, enough to protect at least one million square kilometres of the Earth and significantly cool the planet.

Inspiration came from studying the effects of volcanic eruptions in Indonesia in 1814. During these explosions, enough material was spewed into the upper atmosphere to cause temperatures to fall by up to 30 per cent for almost three years, roughly the amount some predict that they will rise to by the end of this century.

Academics from California's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, who told government scientists about the billion-pound scheme, claim it will increase crop yields, because plants would be less damaged by the Sun's harmful rays. The scheme would create more spectacular sunrises and sunsets, deeper blue skies and would reduce the cancer risk for sunbathers and children.

Pumping nutrients into the world's oceans remains another weapon under consideration. This would encourage the growth of vast underwater algae blooms to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Scientists believe 'large-scale ocean fertilisation' could act as a substitute for the world's disappearing forests, which act as a huge natural sponge for soaking up carbon dioxide from the air.

Massive floating cloud-making machines could also become a feature of the oceans. These solar-powered contraptions would spray seawater droplets of a precise size into the sky to help encourage the formation of low-level clouds.

Other ideas being looked at include the burial of carbon dioxide emissions underground. Friends of the Earth climate campaigner Roger Higman said: 'Climate change is the biggest environmental threat the world faces. It is important for scientists to explore imaginative ways to tackle its impacts, but technical fixes must not be used as an excuse for failing to reduce the growing levels of greenhouse gases.'

This week the Government will announce how it proposes to implement the most significant piece of climate change legislation since the Kyoto protocol, Europe's greenhouse gas emissions trading scheme.

Articles like this are somewhat disturbing. What if they screw up and the space shield ends up triggering an ice age?
 

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Originally posted by: Ultima

Articles like this are somewhat disturbing. What if they screw up and the space shield ends up triggering an ice age?

Then that will be Bush's fault too.
 

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Only 2 possibilities can come of this ill-conceived plan:

[*]Possiblity #1: The sun deflection system vaporizes as it heats up from all the solar energy it is blocking
[*]Possibility #2: The system they are talking about uses mirrors to reflect the sun's rays rather than absorbing them. Photons may not have rest mass, but they DO have mass (To figure out the mass use E=hf=mc^2, so m=hf/c^2. Momentum mv = mc = hf/c.) The change in direction of the light exerts a force on the Earth from its momentum changing direction, which kicks us out of our current orbit.

Here is an example of what I am talking about - the proposed "shield" would either have to be a solar sail or it would burn up from absorbing solar radiation. But actually now that I think about it, maybe that's ok, as the sail, not the Earth would be directly pushed, which means it would either need some kind of propellent to keep it in place or it would have a really wierd orbit around the Earth.
 

sandorski

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These types of solutions are good to develop. Hopefully we'll never need them, but with the lack of political will that abounds they may be the only choice in the long run.
 

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And what if this cycle of warming is natural? What happens if we change that? We are just comming out of an iceage.
Are humans really that full of them selves that they can look at 100 or so years worth of data and say, "ooops. its broken. We should fix it." What about the rest of the data. You know the other 4.5 billion years worth. Just plug in the numbers that support you position? And ignor all of the information on the rise and fall of the earths temp.
Lighten up and keep your junk out out of space. I dont want to be picking it up in my yard when it starts to fall.
 

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We have to crank up a new form of Propulsion to populate other Planets if this species plans on surviving beyond the eventual demise of this planet at the hands of both it's inhabitants and it's Sun.
 

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I've not read it all, but this sounds kind of like science thinking it can always solve the problems it creats, and getting kicked in the ass for it.
 

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These scientists are operating on the premise (I think) that this climate change is caused by human activity. Most of the recent studies have concluded that the net effect on global climate warming due to human activity is actually slightly negative, and that most of the change is part of the natural process of climate fluctuation. The aerosol present in the Earth's atmosphere may have an effect, but that is not presently known.

So, either they figure out that most of the climate change is being forced by aerosol, and take these steps, or the climate change is natural (as well as the extinction of species), and they'll end up screwing the planet.

Cheers!
Nate

Edit: "slightly"
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I've not read it all, but this sounds kind of like science thinking it can always solve the problems it creats, and getting kicked in the ass for it.

Very good, now drive your Hydrogen fueled car more so it will water the trees.

 

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It would of course be much easier not to cause global warming in the first place, but since we can't even do that there is no chance at all that we will do this. People have been made to feel ashamed from childhood that they think only of themselves and so almost everybody is now convinced that they do care and, as a consequence, are completely unaware of the need for the self insight that they don't and have never, therefore, matured properly to exercise the capacity to care maturely. This upside-downness to reality, the fact that we cannot tolerate the information that can free us is, not climate warming, our greatest danger. Climate warming and almost every other problem we have is the result of this catch 22. We will either wake up or we will go extinct. It is a different kind of mirror that we need and do not want.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
These scientists are operating on the premise (I think) that this climate change is caused by human activity. Most of the recent studies have concluded that the net effect on global climate warming due to human activity is actually negative, and that most of the change is part of the natural process of climate fluctuation. The aerosol present in the Earth's atmosphere may have an effect, but that is not presently known.

So, either they figure out that most of the climate change is being forced by aerosol, and take these steps, or the climate change is natural (as well as the extinction of species), and they'll end up screwing the planet.

Cheers!
Nate

What studies?
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: sandorski

What studies?

Mm, look up the Atmospheric Sciences Professor John Wallace from the Univ. of Washington; there were others that I read last Spring from Colorado State Univ. and other sources. I'll dig around and see if I can find you some links.

One link

Cheers!
Nate

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I should add that I fully support a continual increase in fuel-efficiency standards, environmentally-responsible regulations for commercial and political entities, and an overall increase in education and care taken for the environment. It is foolish to think that our current rate of fossil fuel consumption can be sustained much longer, and the steps need to be taken now to ensure that when the time comes that easily-obtainable fossil fuel reserves are depleted, we have a seamless transition to alternate fuel sources.

To take such drastic steps as have been proposed above, however, is at very least a waste of money and at its worst could be far more catastrophic for our planet than our current rate of global warming.
 

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in 50yrs ill be dead, why should I care?

sounds like a bunch of hocus pocus to me
 

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
These scientists are operating on the premise (I think) that this climate change is caused by human activity. Most of the recent studies have concluded that the net effect on global climate warming due to human activity is actually slightly negative, and that most of the change is part of the natural process of climate fluctuation. The aerosol present in the Earth's atmosphere may have an effect, but that is not presently known.

So, either they figure out that most of the climate change is being forced by aerosol, and take these steps, or the climate change is natural (as well as the extinction of species), and they'll end up screwing the planet.

Cheers!
Nate

Edit: "slightly"


No they are operating on the premise is that current global temperature is the best so we should try and maintian the temperature.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Spencer278

No they are operating on the premise is that current global temperature is the best so we should try and maintian the temperature.

Elaborate, please.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Spencer278

No they are operating on the premise is that current global temperature is the best so we should try and maintian the temperature.

... Huh?

What the cause of global warming is doesn't matter. If it is bad we should stop it just like any other force of nature we don't like.

Take wind people don't create but that doesn't mean I don't want a coat on.
 

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So what if it works too well and it gets really cold (can you say IceAge). Maybe they will make them so they could be opened and closed like shutters. Stupid idea regardless.
 

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This stuff really bothers me. There are political agendas behind the global warming people. You learn in basic climatology that the earth's climate is in constant change. At one point the earth was mostly tropical. And there were ice ages at other points. The angle that the earth wobbles is in constant change. Sun activity always varies. It's generally accepted that we are naturally going from a cooler period to a warmer period. A single volcano (above and below sea level) can have more of an effect on this planet than 200 years of industrialism. It's egotistical to automatically assume that we are that powerful to manipulate this planet on a long term scale.
Before one has the right to spew global warming garbage, do some research. Take into account different poits of view. Some of you are so easily manipulated that you'll take one point of view and run with it. I'm not saying I know what effect people have on the climate, but I do know that nobody knows. However, I do think it's important to try to do your own part in taking care of the environment - efficient use of electricity and water, recycle, drive ultra low or low emmision vehicles.
 

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Orsorum
These scientists are operating on the premise (I think) that this climate change is caused by human activity. Most of the recent studies have concluded that the net effect on global climate warming due to human activity is actually slightly negative, and that most of the change is part of the natural process of climate fluctuation. The aerosol present in the Earth's atmosphere may have an effect, but that is not presently known.

So, either they figure out that most of the climate change is being forced by aerosol, and take these steps, or the climate change is natural (as well as the extinction of species), and they'll end up screwing the planet.

Cheers!
Nate

Edit: "slightly"


No they are operating on the premise is that current global temperature is the best so we should try and maintian the temperature.


That is an idiotic statement. We should NEVER try to maintain the global temperature because it is in constant natural change.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: FrodoB
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Orsorum
These scientists are operating on the premise (I think) that this climate change is caused by human activity. Most of the recent studies have concluded that the net effect on global climate warming due to human activity is actually slightly negative, and that most of the change is part of the natural process of climate fluctuation. The aerosol present in the Earth's atmosphere may have an effect, but that is not presently known.

So, either they figure out that most of the climate change is being forced by aerosol, and take these steps, or the climate change is natural (as well as the extinction of species), and they'll end up screwing the planet.

Cheers!
Nate

Edit: "slightly"


No they are operating on the premise is that current global temperature is the best so we should try and maintian the temperature.


That is an idiotic statement. We should NEVER try to maintain the global temperature because it is in constant natural change.

I was waiting for someone else to say it. :p

Cheers!
Nate
 

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Granted, I just woke up and am a little hungover, but it seems to me that lots of reflectors in our upper atmosphere or small metal plates in LEO might make space travel a bit more stressful on the structures being boosted into orbit. Yes, these things are supposed to be small and relatively light, but hitting a couple of million of them at high speed just doesn't seem all that safe to me ;).
 

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That is an idiotic statement. We should NEVER try to maintain the global temperature because it is in constant natural change.
I'm sure that the wooly mammoth would agree with you.
 

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We've been coming out of an ice age for the last however-many-thousand years.
Even if we ARE the cause, this is hardly a good solution. The last thing we need to do is alter Earth's orbit.
The best of any of those solutions would definitely be the nutrients in the ocean one.
Stuff emissions under the earth? Yeah...I can't imagine that will not have its own dire consequences.
 

Ultima

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I don't understand why you guys think that this will alter earth's orbit. The sunlight would be hitting the earth anyways if not the metal plates so isn't the net force the same? The part of it that worries me is the climate change... scientists trying to play god with the world. What if they miscalculate? How are they going to get all those metal bits up there anyways?