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Ghosts and demons don't exist, here is why:

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Zeze

Zeze

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I've always loved paranormal/ghost stories ever since as a kid, but I've never experienced out of norm all my life. And I'm incredibly skeptical to have my mind play tricks on me.

Only about two years ago, I bought an ouija board for fun. What better way to incite an paranormal experience than to provoke it yourself?

My friends Nick, Mark and I went to landlord's unfinished attic to play the board . We are not youngsters, all mid/late twenties.

I did some research online and a veteran member of a tech forum who liked this crap told me about the rituals, having the right mindset, etc.

So, secluded in the attic, 3 of us lit few candles, chanted some summoning words, and put our hands on the knob.

It didn't spell shit. It spelled total nonsense... because it's our own fucking fingers using them.

Then I got fed up with the disappointment (what else was gonna happen, really?). I stood up in the darkness and yelled any provocation I could think of. I said I would sell my soul for you to simply show up, put blood on my family and future children, etc.. just show me SOMETHING!

Nothing happened of course. And to this day, nothing strange has happened. Maybe my future kid will die.. maybe.

Until then, this shit doesn't exist.

I've read few paranormal threads in this forum tonight out of boredom. Those with personal accounts, please some those cheeky ghosts to me. I'd love to meet them. I live in downtown NY.
 
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nageov3t

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if you turn on a CB radio, yell a bunch of shit into it, and no one answers back, is that proof that radios don't work?

/devil's advocate
//doesn't believe in the devil
 
Zeze

Zeze

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TakeNoPrisoners said:
Yea the stories about them are pretty good, as far as irl? No not at all, just a bunch of fiction.
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What about those personal accounts, especially from veteran members (like Perknose). I'm sure they're not lying or not all the stories are lies.

I'd love to experience what they went through.
 
Ichinisan

Ichinisan

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I've experienced some freaky stuff before. Witnessed by those around me. Never drank, never smoked, never been high.
 
Ichinisan

Ichinisan

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Zeze said:
Do tell.
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At the risk of being mocked...

Late '90s. Me and a girl from the neighborhood were hanging around outside another neighbor's place where they were burning a fire in the backyard. That popular Bone Thugs-N-Harmony CD was playing (I never liked it). It played to the end and, for some reason, was stuck looping that "Mr. Ouija" song. It seems like that song had looped for more than an hour, but no one noticed at first because we were all talking about other things. We wandered to the front yard, and back again. Everyone suddenly felt this strange feeling of dread. Then someone pointed out a shadowy figure in the woods standing and looking toward our group. It was dark, but everyone thought they could see it. I yelled and it didn't move. After a while of staring intensely into the darkness, we eventually couldn't see what we originally saw. We all realized at the same time that the song had been looping forever. My friend went to turn off the music and we all kind of felt something as she approached it. She started panicking and then she REALLY wanted to stop the music. She reached toward it again and we all heard a voice say her full name and said she was going to die. I think I was the only one in the group that even knew her full name. Though the "voice" seemed to come from the stereo, it also seemed like we heard it with our minds and not with our ears. Everyone heard it. My friend started having a full-on panic attack and gasping for air. I don't remember if someone turned off the stereo, or if it just stopped. Either way, I tried to comfort her and we walked back to her house next door.

She was still gasping for air and completely unable to speak. Still fear-stricken, she grabbed a huge cup and filled it with tap water, then started gulping it down.

She forgot that the well had been filled with bleach after an opossum fell in and decomposed. It smelled like pure bleach coming from the tap, but she had been gasping for air and apparently couldn't smell it. We induced vomiting and she didn't die.

If this was actually a paranormal event, I guess the demon's prediction was wrong.

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This sounds like a completely different version of the song than I remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Ad2UzhE0o

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This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFpWtlTkcZA
 
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jmarti445

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I disagree also, I've seen too much unusual stuff in the past 5 years to not believe in them. Weirdest experience was when I dated a "Wiccan" though, imagine seeing a bright flash where there was no light or source to cause it and then seeing a haze in the shape of a being. Needless to say I didn't stay with the girl cause she was kind of strange(her herself was strange enough and she claimed to be a vessel for a demon).

You have to realize though, you can have no belief in god and still believe that these things exist. These things have existed in Legends all around the world, from Native American, to european, to asian, to japan, to africa. When it is a worldwide occurrence for the entire case of recorded history then there is something that exists that modern science hasn't figured out yet. I don't think this stuff is limited to religion.
 
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nonameo

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One day, I was cooking eggs and they just started to spontaneously cook... IN THE CARTON!!!

Then, I went to look in my refrigerator....
 
Jeff7

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Some of the numerous issues with ghosts:
- They seem to generate infrared light, as I hear FLIR cameras referenced a lot when people are talking about Ghost Hunter, and yet they don't seem to reliably generate visible light. Does dying automatically give you a permanent Doppler shift?
- Pictures of ghosts typically have them wearing clothing, and sometimes jewelry. So your non-living accessories follow you into limbo as well? Is it just the stuff that's touching me that is drug along into the netherworld? If I'm killed by being locked in a refrigerator, am I forever going to have to haunt people whilst dragging behind me the old refrigerator and its ancient leftovers? (Does any mold on the food die and come to the semi-afterlife as well, or does it get left in the land of the living?)
- Becoming a ghost must be extremely rare, as a lot of people have died already.
 
dr150

dr150

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This gentleman will visit you....soon! :eek:

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jmarti445

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Jeff7 said:
Some of the numerous issues with ghosts:
- They seem to generate infrared light, as I hear FLIR cameras referenced a lot when people are talking about Ghost Hunter, and yet they don't seem to reliably generate visible light. Does dying automatically give you a permanent Doppler shift?
- Pictures of ghosts typically have them wearing clothing, and sometimes jewelry. So your non-living accessories follow you into limbo as well? Is it just the stuff that's touching me that is drug along into the netherworld? If I'm killed by being locked in a refrigerator, am I forever going to have to haunt people whilst dragging behind me the old refrigerator and its ancient leftovers? (Does any mold on the food die and come to the semi-afterlife as well, or does it get left in the land of the living?)
- Becoming a ghost must be extremely rare, as a lot of people have died already.
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Ghost typically aren't ghosts, they are more then likely Tulpas in my experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa
 
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jmarti445

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eits said:
pretty positive ghosts exists (having actually seen one in person)... demons, however, i don't buy.
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Don't think of Demons in a Hell based sense as Hell doesn't exist to people who don't believe in it(it is a created thought form aka a Tulpa in and of itself). There are people around the world who believe in Fairies also(the Nordic countries and Iceland especially). Same thing with Dragons. When it comes to these creatures they exist not in this plane or realm rather in different realms. Think of the world in Layers where one hand doesn't know what the other hand is thinking, except in rare cases either by an enviromental disturbance or phenomeon(like a thunderstorm).

Ghosts are typically created thought forms, therefore if you don't believe in ghosts you will never witness them. In that case its better that you don't believe in ghosts as if you don't believe in ghosts you never will see them, if you do believe in ghosts you will see them. A demon on the other hand you don't have to believe in them in order to witness them. Now here is the tricky part as ghosts in some cases do exist but they are a different phenomeon of something and not typically a Haunting.

With a Tulpa if you get enough people to believe in something(aka like people believing in Hell) it will come into existance. Therefore if you get like a hundred people to believe that a location is Haunted and really have the true belief that something is haunted it will come to be true(this is why cemetaries are found to be haunted as so many people believe they are). Its kind of like a computer program almost, you can basically program the thoughtform to take on characteristics of its own(IE only comes out at night, only is such and such a place and only wants to scare people).
 
Zeze

Zeze

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jmarti445 said:
Don't think of Demons in a Hell based sense as Hell doesn't exist to people who don't believe in it(it is a created thought form aka a Tulpa in and of itself). There are people around the world who believe in Fairies also(the Nordic countries and Iceland especially). Same thing with Dragons. When it comes to these creatures they exist not in this plane or realm rather in different realms. Think of the world in Layers where one hand doesn't know what the other hand is thinking, except in rare cases either by an enviromental disturbance or phenomeon(like a thunderstorm).

Ghosts are typically created thought forms, therefore if you don't believe in ghosts you will never witness them. In that case its better that you don't believe in ghosts as if you don't believe in ghosts you never will see them, if you do believe in ghosts you will see them. A demon on the other hand you don't have to believe in them in order to witness them. Now here is the tricky part as ghosts in some cases do exist but they are a different phenomeon of something and not typically a Haunting.

With a Tulpa if you get enough people to believe in something(aka like people believing in Hell) it will come into existance. Therefore if you get like a hundred people to believe that a location is Haunted and really have the true belief that something is haunted it will come to be true(this is why cemetaries are found to be haunted as so many people believe they are). Its kind of like a computer program almost, you can basically program the thoughtform to take on characteristics of its own(IE only comes out at night, only is such and such a place and only wants to scare people).
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o_O
 
Locut0s

Locut0s

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Ghosts and demons don't exist here is why... <snip>

They just don't! Just cause someone thought up the concept some thousands of years ago and people have copied that concept thousands of times doesn't make it any more likely to exist than a 20 legged unicorn with a rocket launcher for a mouth that shits bacon and chocolate.
 
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jmarti445

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Locut0s said:
Ghosts and demons don't exist here is why... <snip>

They just don't! Just cause someone thought up the concept some thousands of years ago and people have copied that concept thousands of times doesn't make it any more likely to exist than a 20 legged unicorn with a rocket launcher for a mouth that shits bacon and chocolate.
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I'm going to not comment because well...does it resemble a centipede?
 
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