GF4 MX440 is slower than my GF3 Ti200.

[rimshaker]

I just bought one from BB just to test it out. I ran 3dmark2000 and 2001 on both cards using 27.42 drivers. My Ti200 card is overclocked to 200/460, but still slower than the 270/400 mx440 setup.

I didn't like the mx440 right out of the box. It only had a passive heatsink and none on the ram. Surprisingly, it doesn't support all of the 3dmark tests, i forgot which ones got skipped. But it only managed 8994 on 3dmark2000 while my Ti200 card was around 10300. And for some odd reason, the mx440 would always lock up near the end of 3dmark2001, so i couldn't compare them on that test.

Oh well, i'm returning this mx440 soon

 

[BFG10K]

Uh, did you not do any research before you bought the card? The MX440 is slower across the board than the Ti200 plus it doesn't have a lot of the DirectX 8.0 features that the Ti200 has. In short it's a totally inferior card.

 

[Rand]

Of course it's slower. The GF4 MX's are based on the GF2 core, they just borrow the GF3's more efficient memory controller, add nVidia's newer form of FSAA, and add a few goodies on.
Their DX7 cards and all, no support for DX8 features in hardware.

The name "GF4" is rather misleading when applied to the MX's.



<< Surprisingly, it doesn't support all of the 3dmark tests, i forgot which ones got skipped. >>



They can't run the Nature scene, as 3DMark only allows that test to run on cards that support pixel shaders in hardware. It can't do the environmental mapped bump mapping, and the pixel shader test.... the same one's the GF2 can't run.

 

[rimshaker]

<< Uh, did you not do any research before you bought the card? The MX440 is slower across the board than the Ti200 plus it doesn't have a lot of the DirectX 8.0 features that the Ti200 has. In short it's a totally inferior card. >>



I DID do the reading and research on the gf4 line. I was just assuming the performance difference would've been a little closer than what the benchmarks told me. i've pretty much learned now that any card labeled MX is just too inferior. I'm sticking with the Ti labels. can't wait to get my hands on that Ti4600....

 

[nRollo]

I think the bigger issue here is why are you wasting Best Buy people's time and money pretending to "buy" cards you have no intention of keeping?

 

[rockhard]

hehe, you should have waited a few days for the 460 to hit the stores m8
The ram speed is loads faster than the 440 and should be a nice overclocker im hoping.
The 460's ram is clocked at 550 standard whereas the 440's only 400 plus you get full blown VIVO and DVI/DSub dual head - can you take it back and exchange?


Whats the 2D like? (very important to me)
What version drivers came with it?

thanx,

rockhard =)

 

[rimshaker]

<< I think the bigger issue here is why are you wasting Best Buy people's time and money pretending to "buy" cards you have no intention of keeping? >>



If you think that's an issue, you're totally naive. After all, it's better than pulling off capacitors and then trying to send it back to visiontek for replacement isn't it?? Or what about all the sharks out there whining about not being offered some stupid Best Buy pricing error. What about all those people in the Hot Deals forum trying every deceiving tactic and oversight to try and milk rebate money from manufacturers that they obviously don't deserve.

So here you are trying to tell ME about wasting time and money??? Look around and read before you open your mouth newbie! Take your issues elsewhere.

 

[spanky]

rimshaker,

no offense... but i thought it was funny to see a "member" call another "member" a newbie
but back on topic, can't u return the card to best buy? tell them that it froze on u when running 3dmark2001. u think the ppl working at best buy would be knowledgable enough to retort or test it out for real?


-spanky

 

[rimshaker]

With a 30-day return policy, all you really need to do is say i changed my mind. It's that simple. Of course they have the technicians inspect the computer returns, but unless you're doing something devious like swapping parts, there's nothing to worry about. I can return the card tomorrow.... .or later this month, doesn't matter.

 

[Sunner]

Rockhard, the 460 comes with 325/650 MHz memory.

Just nitpicking a bit

 

[spanky]

<< With a 30-day return policy, all you really need to do is say i changed my mind. It's that simple. Of course they have the technicians inspect the computer returns, but unless you're doing something devious like swapping parts, there's nothing to worry about. I can return the card tomorrow.... .or later this month, doesn't matter. >>



but when i return stuff with just becuz u change ur mind, don't they usually charge u some kinda restocking fee?

 

[rimshaker]

Restocking fee? No, not unless it's a computer, laptop, radar detector, camcorder... it's all mentioned on the back of the receipt. CompUSA has restocking fees on anything once it's opened.

 

[rockhard]

<< Rockhard, the 460 comes with 325/650 MHz memory >>



You sure your not mistaken?

Courtesy of Toms Hardware:-

____________GeForce4 MX460_____GeForce4 MX440_____ GeForce4 MX420_____ GeForce2 MX400
Chip Clock_______300 MHz___________270 MHz____________250 MHz____________200 MHz
Memory Clock____550 MHz (DDR)______400 MHz____________166 MHz____________166 MHz

 

[Sunner]

Rockhard, never mind me, I must be drunk or something, got the 4600 and 460 confused.

Damn this naming scheme really is confusing

 

[chizow]

<<

<< With a 30-day return policy, all you really need to do is say i changed my mind. It's that simple. Of course they have the technicians inspect the computer returns, but unless you're doing something devious like swapping parts, there's nothing to worry about. I can return the card tomorrow.... .or later this month, doesn't matter. >>



but when i return stuff with just becuz u change ur mind, don't they usually charge u some kinda restocking fee? >>



There's a simple solution...play stupid and say you only have a PCI slot

Chiz

 

[nRollo]

"



"If you think that's an issue, you're totally naive."
It's naive to think wasting other people's time and money for no good reason is wrong?

"After all, it's better than pulling off capacitors and then trying to send it back to visiontek for replacement isn't it??"
It's better than shooting the clerk who sells it to you also, but that doesn't really have anything to do with you and the issue we're discussing does it?

Or what about all the sharks out there whining about not being offered some stupid Best Buy pricing error. What about all those people in the Hot Deals forum trying every deceiving tactic and oversight to try and milk rebate money from manufacturers that they obviously don't deserve."
So, other people do wrong things, your scam is less wrong, that makes it right?


"So here you are trying to tell ME about wasting time and money???"
Yes. You waste the clerks time who sold it to you, you waste the customer service person's time to check it in, the techs time to test, and the clerks time to restock. Then they sell it for less profit, all so you can bench a new card. If you don't think this kind of thing is the reason CompUSA has a 15% restock, or that Best Buy will because of goofs like you, you're the one who's naive.

"Look around and read before you open your mouth newbie! Take your issues elsewhere."
LOL- newbie? I've been playing video games since the 70s, computer games since the 80s, and am an IT professional. I'd guess you're the "newbie" between the two of us.

 

[rockhard]

<< Damn this naming scheme really is confusing >>



Hehe, go pick yourself up a Gainward MX460, overclock it and be happy

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I've had to return stuff to Best Buys and they're a "no hassle" place. When returned, it will eventually make it to the upgrade department who'll see if it's working O.K. and if it is, it wiil end up back on the shelf as an "opened item" for a discounted price. My bad Rollo! I was posting when you replied, hence the rehash.

 

[scoobydooby]

Well I would flame you for wasting your's and best buy's time but I'm too busy so I'll leave it at: you sir, are a meathead.
Scoob

 

[spanky]

<< Well I would flame you for wasting your's and best buy's time but I'm too busy so I'll leave it at: you sir, are a meathead.
Scoob >>



hey man, he's just trying to help the economy. now the techs at BB will have something to do, so they won't get laid off

 

[scoobydooby]

<< hey man, he's just trying to help the economy. now the techs at BB will have something to do, so they won't get laid off >>


Oh yeah I forgot about that!
Scoob

 

[rimshaker]

I used to work at BB for couple years Mr. IT professional. Let's not compare education or degrees here cause i'd leave you in the dust. I know exactly what goes on there. I've been in those shoes. I know what happens to any product cycle in the computer, home, and car audio departments. Please don't lecture me on who's time i waste. I know who i hurt, and who i don't. If you feel a need to defend honesty and morality, i can point you in the right direction. Believe me, i'm the least of those worries. I'm not the one you should be bitching about. CompUSA must impose restocking fees because of financial competition with the likes of BB. They're simply not as big financially, so obvisouly they can't take the overhead. But when you're the #1 store like BB.... it doesn't matter because a profit is a profit, even on an open box item. And when you're the top competitor, measly video card returns aren't even considered overhead... because a profit is a profit.

Now go somewhere else and bitch. I'm sure the Hot Deals folks would love to debate with you.

 

[scoobydooby]

Sheesh, we've got a feisty one. Who has a "higher degree or eduction" is completely irrelevent. What we are talking about is basically common sense. If you read anything about the geforce4 you would have read that the MX series are not even as good as the Geforce3. They are meant to be a bargain card. Even if it was a better card it just doesn't make sense to me to buy a card at best buy then go bench to decide if you want to keep it. You can read all about benches on the web and make a very well informed decision using reviews on the web. I don't know why you even posted as we already knew the MX series was not quite up to par. It's just like the geforce2 MX series cards.


<< What about all those people in the Hot Deals forum trying every deceiving tactic and oversight to try and milk rebate money from manufacturers that they obviously don't deserve. >>


I don't see anything wrong with getting your moneys worth. That's what they make rebates for, to be used.
Scoob

 

[rimshaker]

Online benchmarks aren't always as clear-cut. Besides, i got it for my older 2nd system just to temporarily replace an old TNT2 card. Hey, nothing wrong with being curious and testing it out hands-on. There's ultimately no distinction between me returning it saying 'I changed my mind' and some average joe blow returning it because 'Oh, theres a better version coming out?' The customer service people don't care, the technicians don't care either why you want to give it back. And it ends up in the same return box, where they just literally throw it in.

People in the Hot Deals forum consistenly search for rebate loopholes, store manager discrepancy, store policy inconsistencies, illegal double-rebate opportunities, etc. And i'm supposed to burn in hell for wanting to personally benchmark a video card??

 

[Crapgame]

My cats breath smells like tuna.