gf4 4200 vs 4400

[cboo85]

gf4 4200 vs 4400 Which way to go? Is it worth the extra money. Is there a big difference in the graphics.

Thanks

 

[jilliew]

There is a pretty good review Here Scrool down to archives and do a search for ASUS 8420 Geforce Review. That will pretty much tell you what the difference is. I bought the ASUS 8420 Geforce 4200 card. It's a little smoker for the money. And it comes with a great package. It's just being released and it might be hard to find, but I think it's worth waiting for. The 128 meg cards are a good investment for now and for future use. I was all set to buy a 4600 until I read this review. I bought and paid for it but the reseller didn't have it in yet. Should be sometime in the next few days. You can do a search on Pricewatch for ASUS V8420 video card. It should range from $194 to $199. It even comes with 3D glasses.

 

[claypigdeon]

Another thing to think about is overclocking. i was doing the same thing, checking ti 4200 cards. in most of the articles they said you would be able to clock them to the speeds of the ti 4600. unfortunatly i bought the visiontek cards and they dont support overclocking and there for does not come with the clocking utility.

I have been looking around for a utility that would work on my card but have not been successful.

i recommend asus cards because of the overclocking utility.

 

[Mavrick007]

Originally posted by: claypigdeon
Another thing to think about is overclocking. i was doing the same thing, checking ti 4200 cards. in most of the articles they said you would be able to clock them to the speeds of the ti 4600. unfortunatly i bought the visiontek cards and they dont support overclocking and there for does not come with the clocking utility.

I have been looking around for a utility that would work on my card but have not been successful.

i recommend asus cards because of the overclocking utility.

Either download powerstrip, do a coolbits hack, or check out rivatuner and you should not have any problems to overclock any Nvidia card.

 

[eboe]

you can overclock any brand, just some don't come with the utility. but for the most part, utility or not, most manufacturers don't really support the overclocking of vid cards...
look for powerstrip, it's an excellent oc'ing utility and it does a lot of other stuff too... i've had no problems with it...

i'm just eagerly awaiting the arrival of my GF4 Ti4200 128mb eVGA!!!

 

[eboe]

that's what i get for taking a break in the middle of my post, LOL!

 

[SnoopyDog]

I was just going to put in an order for the GAINWARD TI4200/XP. But then I tripped over this post.

I think a ASUS 8420 DELUXE is comming my way soon.

Great find "jilliew"

Where did you order yours???
Mind you I whant the DELUXE model..

 

[AnAndAustin]

I wouldn't get too tied up with buying a specific card or brand. Chipset and RAM type dictates almost all perf and potential. Even at default clocks all 4200 beat the GF3TI200 and full ATI Radeon8500. Even so the 4200-128MB cards are a much wiser buy. What you want to look out for is the type of RAM used on the 4200 cards.

4200 core's o/c to 280-320.
4.0ns RAM is standard on all 4200 cards and averagely o/c to 550 (128MB def 444, 64MB def 500).
3.6ns is more common on 64MB cards but can easily be found on 128MB cards and o/c to around 620!

4400 def is 275/550 with o/c around 300/620.
4600 def is 300/650 with o/c around 320/720.

You can read the ns rating off the RAM chips, 2nd line down last 2 numbers. Fancy HSF designs do very little while RAM HS do nothing to enhance o/c. The 4200 is defiitely the best buy for a budget conscious person, while the 4600 is the best buy for those with the cash. On a tighter budget the GF3TI200 and Rad8500/8500LE still offer great perf, esp for slower (< 1ghz) CPUs.

 

[cboo85]

Thanks for your responses. I think Im going with the Leadtek Winfast 250 td gf4 ti4400 my vivo edition good choice or bad. Whats the best overclock speed.

 

[AnAndAustin]

IIRC correctly nearly all 4400 cards use 3.6ns while 4600 cards use 2.8ns. In any case 4400 o/c to around 300/620 while 4600 will reach 320/720. If you can find a 4400 using faster RAM, pref the same as 4600 then you should attain exzactly the same o/c.

4200-128MB cards are amuch wiser buy. Most do come with 4.0ns RAM and hence 'only' reach around 300/550. If you find one using 3.6ns (not that uncommon) then it will reach the same maximum speed as 4400 at around 300/620. If you can afford to spend the cash the 4600 is the best buy, if you are a little more cash conscious then the 4200 is the best buy. I'm afraid the 4400, at least in most countries is no longer worth it.

See what the price diffs are like for a 4200-128 4.0ns, 4200-128 3.6ns and a 4400 (note the diff RAM types where applicable). If it's not much more for a 4400 over a 4200-128 3.6ns then you might as well go for it, but perf is not all that much above a 4200-128 4.0ns so weigh up the price diff. You may be better off getting a 4200 and some extra RAM than getting a 4400.

 

[eboe]

here's from an earlier post of mine...

Re: Asus V8420 Deluxe

it's sick man, 3.3ns BGA ram. yet another one of those ti4200s that looks like a 4600 with the full length PCB, etc. probably gonna be expensive as heck too.


here's a
review of it at amd3d.com. pretty informative for those who are interested, but to me it's just another 4200/4400 hybrid...

 

[AnAndAustin]

I like to think of them as GF4TI4300 cards. The bottom line for me is how well the 4200 cards are liekly to age and should devalue far less than any other relatively competative card out there at the moment. Even using 4.0ns RAM they o/c and compete at the highest level, fantastic value for money. When looking at purchasing any card with better RAM, HSF or RAM HS it is always wise to keep an eye, very often the entry level edition of the next card up (ie suped up 4200 vs standard 4400) is often little more and often a wiser choice.

 

[cytoSiN]

The MSI 4200 board oc's very well, and comes with a great package and a great oc utility. My friend runs his faster than the 4600 standard clock. I'm installing mine on Monday, so I'll post the numbers when I have them. 4200 is definitely the way to go right now, especially if you can wait for the new Asus board. A lot of people are talking about the new Raedon chip, but I like nvidia products so I'm staying put.

 

[AnAndAustin]

I only had a quick flick through that Asus review. As usual for the '4300' cards it uses 4200 chips, but everything else from the 4400 including the more expensive BGA RAM. However the other '4300' card I've heard of doing the same (Suma) o/c'ed to 4600 clocks, while the review shows the Asus '4300' only reaching the same o/c as any standard 4200-128 using 3.6ns TSOP RAM. So the only advantage it would seem is higher default clocks of 260/550 over the usual default of 250/444, but since you'd have to be mad not to o/c a 4200-128 it seems very odd that the Asus only reached 300/620, I haven't heard of a 4200-128 using Hynix 3.6ns TSOP RAM that couldn't reach 300/620! A big downside of this Asus card is that it uses the more expensive 4400 design, ie longer PCB, 2 extra layers, more power regulation and BGA RAM, since it isn't any better than a standard 4200-128 using Hynix 3.6ns TSOP RAM when it comes to o/c'ing AND the fact that the Asus will HAVE to be more expensive to manu I can't see any informed buyer purchasing one, unless they're frightened of o/c'ing.

The SUMA SPECIAL EDITION GF4TI4200-128MB uses 3.3ns BGA RAM (just like the Asus above) and a design from the TI4400. It has a default of 250/550 (usual=250/444) and has o/c'ed to 305/705 beating the GF4TI4600! That's about what a 4600 will o/c to!