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Getting money for college is a joke..

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TheSiege

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so a co-worker/loose friend of mine went to prison for 18 months. he screwed up, nothing too big, they just used him as an example, turns out, he can get degrees from schools, colleges, while he is in there, like the University of Utah. even when he gets out he will get funding, some guys even got their doctorate in there.

come on, being a male middle class white guy that obeys the law will get you no where, no help no how. my mother makes little to nothing and i happen to make a semi-decent wage for my area/age. $14 an hour. and i get nothing, cause the state says i make too much. this is BS

this guy gets a full ride cause hes a convicted felon. wheres the justice.
 
Anyone can be a convicted felon... If you think you'd be better off that way just do a crime to get some jail time lol
 
Originally posted by: guoziming
spend some time in jail, then come back and complain to us.
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im not saying he has it easy. but he shouldnt be able to get a luxury while in there
you reap what you sew
 
the key is that you are willing to go and pay/get through school - while many of these people will continue to lead their lifestyles unless something prompts them to change - i.e. schooling.


Truly the bigger issue is that most scholarships are based primarily on your parents income - I make great money, my mom makes literally nothing. I get more financial aid that someone whose parents are rich - but unwilling to help their kids
 
Originally posted by: zixxer
the key is that you are willing to go and pay/get through school - while many of these people will continue to lead their lifestyles unless something prompts them to change - i.e. schooling.


Truly the bigger issue is that most scholarships are based primarily on your parents income - I make great money, my mom makes literally nothing. I get more financial aid that someone whose parents are rich - but unwilling to help their kids
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well i hope that is the case in my situation next semester, they dont even ask for my parents income on the fafsa.

i just dont think tax payers money should go to higher education for felons, while incarserated (SP?)
 
Honestly, I think it's a great idea. More educated people are less likely to commit crime. It would be interesting to see how many inmates who get a degree end up back in prison. It may even save tax dollars in the long run, as well as improve quality of life in the community. (Spoken by someone who just paid summer tuition).
 
Originally posted by: msparish
Honestly, I think it's a great idea. More educated people are less likely to commit crime. It would be interesting to see how many inmates who get a degree end up back in prison. It may even save tax dollars in the long run, as well as improve quality of life in the community. (Spoken by someone who just paid summer tuition).
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well trust me this guy doesnt need the taxpayers paying for his education, his father makes 7 digits a year...

but you might have a point, i really doubt this guy will repeat anyway, so the stats wouldnt really apply to him
 
Originally posted by: TheSiege
Originally posted by: msparish
Honestly, I think it's a great idea. More educated people are less likely to commit crime. It would be interesting to see how many inmates who get a degree end up back in prison. It may even save tax dollars in the long run, as well as improve quality of life in the community. (Spoken by someone who just paid summer tuition).
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well trust me this guy doesnt need the taxpayers paying for his education, his father makes 7 digits a year...

but you might have a point, i really doubt this guy will repeat anyway, so the stats wouldnt really apply to him
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Of course there are exceptions (this guy's dad should pay), but as a general program I think it's a good idea.
 
i think that if there was a way to filter out who needs its and wants it and didnt have it available to them while free, then yes offer it to them, but those who had a chance and denied it, or whos parents could afford it, or they could it afford, then they should pay the same rate as free people
 
VeggieFrog is a really good kid who never did anything wrong. doesn't smoke, doesnt drink, skipped a grade and always aced her classes. Was a freshman in Penn State at 17 after graduating with awards out the wazoo.

when it was time to fund her college, there was not a lot of options open... yea, yea, award scholorships and etc. but she was traveling back and forth to and from the UK a lot and did not have time for extra essays and deadlines and etc.

She used to tease me that she would get stoned, take an illegal gun and hold up a liquor store to accomplish two goals. One was free education in prison and the other was to get me to stop bragging about how perfect she is.

😉

 
Originally posted by: TheSiege
i think that if there was a way to filter out who needs its and wants it and didnt have it available to them while free, then yes offer it to them, but those who had a chance and denied it, or whos parents could afford it, or they could it afford, then they should pay the same rate as free people
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Look, most of these people weren't going to pay for college anyway. How much do you think it costs to record a lecture at State U, buy them some textbooks, and hire a graduate assistant to grade their work? Maybe $200 - $300 a class? It's nothing compared to the other costs in the prison system.
 
Originally posted by: msparish
Honestly, I think it's a great idea. More educated people are less likely to commit crime. It would be interesting to see how many inmates who get a degree end up back in prison. It may even save tax dollars in the long run, as well as improve quality of life in the community. (Spoken by someone who just paid summer tuition).
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only to a certain extent. people with educations just commit white-collar crime.

but, yes, the exposure to different ways of thinking and the opportunity to mature and develop empathy probably lead to lower overall crime rates, though i haven't seen research to that effect yet. it has already been correlated with being more liberal for the same reasons.
 
Originally posted by: aswedc
Originally posted by: TheSiege
i think that if there was a way to filter out who needs its and wants it and didnt have it available to them while free, then yes offer it to them, but those who had a chance and denied it, or whos parents could afford it, or they could it afford, then they should pay the same rate as free people
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Look, most of these people weren't going to pay for college anyway. How much do you think it costs to record a lecture at State U, buy them some textbooks, and hire a graduate assistant to grade their work? Maybe $200 - $300 a class? It's nothing compared to the other costs in the prison system.
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way off base, books are 100 alone, and the classes are broadcasted, not recorded, alot more money involved, including space...
 
Originally posted by: wetcat007
Anyone can be a convicted felon... If you think you'd be better off that way just do a crime to get some jail time lol
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Right! Man, quit your whining... do you know what happens to you in prison.. it ain't no cake walk.

Trust me, your friend earned that doctorate right up the pooper... LOL

By the way, there are those convicted felons who are trying to turn their lives around, believe it or not.
 

Originally posted by: msparish
More educated people are less likely to commit crime.
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No they're not.

Prisoners have pretty much the same level of education as everyone else, and test the same as everyone else on IQ tests. Keep in mind this is only the section of criminals who get caught...
 
Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: msparish
More educated people are less likely to commit crime.
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No they're not.

Prisoners have pretty much the same level of education as everyone else, and test the same as everyone else on IQ tests. Keep in mind this is only the section of criminals who get caught...
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Does that count Kenneth Lay? LOL 😉
 
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