Get the hell out of my kitchen, Government. [Foie Gras]

brxndxn

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And then they're gonna ban veal.. and that's where I get pissed.

I've never had foie gras yet.. I wanna be able to try it some time. I don't care about the ducks or the baby calves or anything else I eat. Yum.
 

IGBT

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The're up your tail pipe and in your kitchen...and we put them in office..what's the old saying..give an inch and they take a mile...
 

Azraele

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controversial "speed-feeding" method in which grain is streamed through a pipe inserted down the throat of a duck or goose for weeks at a time toward the end of their lives

That's not nice. :(
 

DurocShark

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Originally posted by: Azraele
controversial "speed-feeding" method in which grain is streamed through a pipe inserted down the throat of a duck or goose for weeks at a time toward the end of their lives

That's not nice. :(

:Q

That IS a bit much I think...

:disgust:
 

wyvrn

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I like the bill. It prevents cruelty to animals. I say increase the fine to 10,000 and also jail time.

BTW, the bill is only banning companies that use the speed feeding approach. It is not banning Foie Gras. What does this have to do with your kitchen? Seems like it has more to do with the farms these birds are being raised on.
 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
I like the bill. It prevents cruelty to animals. I say increase the fine to 10,000 and also jail time.

BTW, the bill is only banning companies that use the speed feeding approach. It is not banning Foie Gras. What does this have to do with your kitchen? Seems like it has more to do with the farms these birds are being raised on.
Good luck making foie gras without force feeding. Do you even know what foie gras is?

Gonzalez, who said he sells some 2,000 ducks raised for foie gras per week, acknowledged the practice of force-feeding but said the practice is humane. "Yes, we use a pipe to feed the ducks, but the anatomy of the duck is totally adaptable to this and it does not bother them at all," he said. In fact, he said, the swelling of the duck's liver to many times its normal size occurs similarly in nature, when the birds gorge themselves before migration.
 

Amorphus

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Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Originally posted by: wyvrn
I like the bill. It prevents cruelty to animals. I say increase the fine to 10,000 and also jail time.

BTW, the bill is only banning companies that use the speed feeding approach. It is not banning Foie Gras. What does this have to do with your kitchen? Seems like it has more to do with the farms these birds are being raised on.
Good luck making foie gras without force feeding. Do you even know what foie gras is?

Gonzalez, who said he sells some 2,000 ducks raised for foie gras per week, acknowledged the practice of force-feeding but said the practice is humane. "Yes, we use a pipe to feed the ducks, but the anatomy of the duck is totally adaptable to this and it does not bother them at all," he said. In fact, he said, the swelling of the duck's liver to many times its normal size occurs similarly in nature, when the birds gorge themselves before migration.

that doesn't mean much. if you feed them grain normally, then fine. but ramming a pipe down their throat to siphon grain in is a bit mean.

On the other hand, it does lead to very tasty birds... :D
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Originally posted by: wyvrn
I like the bill. It prevents cruelty to animals. I say increase the fine to 10,000 and also jail time.

BTW, the bill is only banning companies that use the speed feeding approach. It is not banning Foie Gras. What does this have to do with your kitchen? Seems like it has more to do with the farms these birds are being raised on.
Good luck making foie gras without force feeding. Do you even know what foie gras is?

Gonzalez, who said he sells some 2,000 ducks raised for foie gras per week, acknowledged the practice of force-feeding but said the practice is humane. "Yes, we use a pipe to feed the ducks, but the anatomy of the duck is totally adaptable to this and it does not bother them at all," he said. In fact, he said, the swelling of the duck's liver to many times its normal size occurs similarly in nature, when the birds gorge themselves before migration.

Yes, Chinese use it as patee on their sandwhiches. I eat a similar version all the time. Very tasty! But I don't believe in abusing animals to get it. If less abuse means it costs more, that's fine with me.

 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Originally posted by: wyvrn
I like the bill. It prevents cruelty to animals. I say increase the fine to 10,000 and also jail time.

BTW, the bill is only banning companies that use the speed feeding approach. It is not banning Foie Gras. What does this have to do with your kitchen? Seems like it has more to do with the farms these birds are being raised on.
Good luck making foie gras without force feeding. Do you even know what foie gras is?

Gonzalez, who said he sells some 2,000 ducks raised for foie gras per week, acknowledged the practice of force-feeding but said the practice is humane. "Yes, we use a pipe to feed the ducks, but the anatomy of the duck is totally adaptable to this and it does not bother them at all," he said. In fact, he said, the swelling of the duck's liver to many times its normal size occurs similarly in nature, when the birds gorge themselves before migration.

that doesn't mean much. if you feed them grain normally, then fine. but ramming a pipe down their throat to siphon grain in is a bit mean.

On the other hand, it does lead to very tasty birds... :D
A bit mean? They're food - destined to die. It's a farm, not a five star resort.
 

Spoooon

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A bit mean? They're food - destined to die. It's a farm, not a five star resort.
Yeah, but i don't torture my food before I eat it. If the ducks do it naturally, then let them gorge on their own. Then you can kill them and enjoy your foie gras to your hearts content.
 

EvilYoda

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hehe, I don't know where I stand on this...on one hand, I live a pretty nice lifestyle, so I enjoy "nice" food pretty often. On the other hand, I agree that some methods they use to raise animals are very wrong.

ah well.
 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: Spoooon
A bit mean? They're food - destined to die. It's a farm, not a five star resort.
Yeah, but i don't torture my food before I eat it. If the ducks do it naturally, then let them gorge on their own. Then you can kill them and enjoy your foie gras to your hearts content.
never been to a slaughterhouse, eh? These ducks have it easy compared to veal, chickens, turkeys, etc, etc.

HEY LETS BAN MEAT
 

911paramedic

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"You don't need to be cramming food down Donald Duck's throat to have foie gras," :wine:
 

BigPoppa

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Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Originally posted by: Spoooon
A bit mean? They're food - destined to die. It's a farm, not a five star resort.
Yeah, but i don't torture my food before I eat it. If the ducks do it naturally, then let them gorge on their own. Then you can kill them and enjoy your foie gras to your hearts content.
never been to a slaughterhouse, eh? These ducks have it easy compared to veal, chickens, turkeys, etc, etc.

HEY LETS BAN MEAT

Asking for the humane treatment of animals is not asking for a ban on meat. Why are animals held to different levels of treatment than humans are? I'm not a vegetarian by any means: I love me a big juicy medium rare t-bone. But, I am an animal lover. Being from Montana, I have the luxury of eating meat that has been humanely raised/slaughtered on non-conglomerately owned ranches. This doesn't stop me from asking for animal rights.
 

AmericasTeam

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Animals have no rights, thats what makes them animals.

Animal rights activists are almost as bad as eco-nuts (enviromentalists).:evil:
 

SuperPickle

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I call shinnannigans! These folks don't give a crap about the ducks.
There's a major tariff on foie gras imported to Europe...to the tune of 100% - a retaliatory measure for European buying bananas from sources other than US controlled companies. If they shut down the only US producer while there's still a market, the gov't lines their pockets with import taxes. The lawmakers are just riding the coat tails of the treehuggers in CA to mask the motive by saying their doing it for animal rights. Whatever.
 

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez
Originally posted by: SampSon
I say ban any food that its source casts a shadow!

WTF would you eat then?

Air?

Moron.
Roots.
Or, we could raise all of our food underground in the dark! No shadows!

 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: basilisk420
I call shinnannigans! These folks don't give a crap about the ducks.
There's a major tariff on foie gras imported to Europe...to the tune of 100% - a retaliatory measure for European buying bananas from sources other than US controlled companies. If they shut down the only US producer while there's still a market, the gov't lines their pockets with import taxes. The lawmakers are just riding the coat tails of the treehuggers in CA to mask the motive by saying their doing it for animal rights. Whatever.
This bill forbids the sale of any foie gras made using force feeding, including the European stuff.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Burton's bill seeks to block the sale of foie gras produced by the controversial "speed-feeding" method in which grain is streamed through a pipe inserted down the throat of a duck or goose for weeks at a time toward the end of their lives.

That's extremely cruel. If you don't think so, something is wrong with you.
 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Burton's bill seeks to block the sale of foie gras produced by the controversial "speed-feeding" method in which grain is streamed through a pipe inserted down the throat of a duck or goose for weeks at a time toward the end of their lives.

That's extremely cruel. If you don't think so, something is wrong with you.
In this case, the minor cruelty is more than well justified.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/templates/story.cfm?displaystory=1&storyname=082703e_unterman
How it's done

A visit to an artisanal foie gras farm in Perigord, where I witnessed the whole process, convinced me that the ducks undergoing gavage were not being tortured. A flock of lively, sleek, snowy white ducks pecked in a bright green pasture. At feeding time, a small group was herded into an open-air pen and the madame of the farm, a rather elegant blond with perfect make-up, manicured hands and tall white boots, sat on a stool in the middle of the pen. The ducks knew her and did not run away. She gently stroked the head of the nearest duck and while holding its body between her knees, lifted its head and inserted a funnel down the neck. A measure of grain quickly slipped down the funnel -- it took about two seconds -- and then she whisked it out. She stroked the neck of the duck and held its head in her hands. The duck, far from struggling, accepted her caresses and then waddled off.

Food writer Ed Behr devoted the Fall 1998 issue of his award-winning newsletter, The Art of Eating, solely to the production and preparation of foie gras. He observed that the birds became accustomed to their feeders and do not shy away. The whole process of fattening ducks takes advantage of the natural ability of migrating waterfowl to store excess fat in their livers when they gorge themselves for long flights.

Michael Ginor, co-founder and owner of Hudson Valley Foie Gras, comments in his book "Foie Gras ... A Passion" (Wiley, 1998) that ducks and geese don't like people and act aggressively around them. But at feeding time, they willingly come to the feeders. Force feeding, he says, is neither painful nor distressing to the ducks, and fattening ducks and geese by hand has been going on for 5,000 years.

Furthermore, no part of the foie gras-producing bird is wasted. Not just the livers of these ducks are valued but, the meaty breasts, the legs, thighs, giblets and gizzards which go into confit, and the precious fat are all prized and consumed.
The birds are not hurt in *any* way when they are being fed like this, at least not on a decent farm.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: AmericasTeam
Animals have no rights, thats what makes them animals.

Animal rights activists are almost as bad as eco-nuts (enviromentalists).:evil:

:beer:

I like my meat scared to death before it's slaughtered. It makes it extra tasty.