Get Rich or Die Trying

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I thoroughly enjoyed this article and wanted to share it with all my friends here.

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/376632/print

NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE www.nationalreview.com PRINT
April 27, 2014 4:00 AM

Get Rich or Die Trying

Hate economic inequality? Support Social Security reform.

By Kevin D. Williamson
The Left’s favorite economist of the moment, Thomas Piketty, organizes his argument in Capital in the Twenty-First Century around the statement r > g, where r is the rate of return on capital and g is the rate of economic growth. If r > g, he argues, then economic inequality will inevitably increase and will indeed be compounded, as the income derived from capital outpaces the income derived from other sources, such as wages. Putting it in the shape of a formula gives a certain science-y panache to the utterly uncontroversial observation that people who save and invest their money will generally end up richer than those who don’t. Professor Piketty argues that preventing the growth of corrosive inequality requires reducing the wealth of investors, which he proposes to accomplish through a fancifully conceived global tax on capital.

As Tyler Cowen and Arpit Gupta have argued, r > g is a stronger argument for privatizing Social Security than it is for a global capital tax. (Professor Cowen opposes such privatization but writes that he would be better disposed toward it if he agreed with Piketty’s assumptions.) If investment income really is to grow at a much faster rate than other kinds of income, then the most sensible thing to do is to encourage — or even require — investment. Much as I dislike federal mandates, redirecting the money hijacked out of Americans’ paychecks through Social Security taxes — subsequently to be micturated away on various political enthusiasms — and putting it in real investments is a very attractive option. And not only for the returns.

But let’s consider those returns. You pay, officially, 6.2 percent of income up to $117,000 a year for Social Security. Your employer pays another 6.2 percent, and many economists and nine out of ten people who were born at night but not last night assume that you really pay that part, too, in the form of lower wages. The IRS even seems to believe that, which is why self-employed people pay 12.4 percent. That money is not invested, so there is no return on it. The theoretical return you get on your Social Security “investment” depends on many factors: how long you live, when you retire, average monthly income during the 35 highest-earning years of your life, etc., along with — and this is important — future public-policy decisions that will be entirely out of your hands.

Professor Piketty estimates that the return on capital over the coming decades will be between 4 percent and 5 percent; historical returns to equity investments run about 7 percent, but let’s be conservative and split Professor Piketty’s estimate, assuming a 4.5 percent return. And in keeping with the first theorem of English-major math, let’s replace that 12.4 percent Social Security tax with a poet-friendly 10 percent. Investing 10 percent of your income at a 4.5 percent return over the course of a 45-year working life produces a higher income in retirement than you enjoyed in your working life, regardless of your income level. It’s true if you make $10 an hour or $10,000 an hour. Example: Assume you make the modest sum of $20,000 a year and never get a raise. You invest $2,000 a year at 4.5 percent for 45 years and end up with just over $300,000, which, taking the most risk-averse course, can be converted into an annuity paying $1,800 a month, more than you made in your job. In fact, by the end of your working life, the returns on your investment — just the returns — would add up to about 70 percent of your salary. Start working a few years earlier or work a few years more, and the numbers are even better, enough to have a substantially higher income in retirement than you had when working.

Professor Piketty rejects such investments, citing the volatility of investment income. (As several critics have pointed out, he gives scant consideration to the risk of holding capital when considering the question of inequality, which is odd: Returns on investments are the payment one receives for bearing risk.) He writes: “For a person of sufficient means who can wait ten or twenty years before taking her profits, the return on capital is indeed quite attractive.” And it’s even more attractive at 45 years or 50 years, which is precisely what we should be encouraging.

There are all sorts of caveats to be issued here, of course: The transition to an asset-based system rather than a cash-flow-based system would be hairy indeed, and such a system would create some opportunities for cupidity, stupidity, fecklessness, recklessness, and more, although it should be borne in mind that — the three most important words in political economy being “Compared with what?” — those opportunities for trouble would constitute a substantial improvement on our current Social Security program, the failure of which is an inevitability.

There is another piece to this that bears keeping in mind, something I touched on earlier this week in exploring the disconnect between the symbolic money economy and the economy of real physical goods and services: Those investment returns are not simply the distillate of corporate earnings statements. Investments in real businesses provide real capital to power the real economy. An investment in Merck isn’t just a stock you hold: It’s an investment in the very products you will need in your retirement. If Merck or one of its competitors makes a breakthrough in, say, the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, you could make a pile of money — which you will enjoy much more if there’s a good treatment for
your rheumatoid arthritis.

When it comes to the so-called problem of economic inequality, me and dead owls don’t give a hoot. But if you want a radically richer society, there are few more reliable ways to get there than savings and investment. And if that spreads around some of the benefits of holding capital and allows the intergenerational transfer of real wealth from real investments to transform a few million families and enrich formerly impoverished communities, then three cheers for the guys in the pinstriped suits.

I suppose we have to consider the politics, too: A guy who works as a retail manager and has $700,000 in his retirement account smells like a Republican to me, somebody who’s going to be damned surly about things like inflation, income redistribution, and the imposition of punitive taxes and regulations on businesses in which he is invested with his own money; the same guy dependent on a pitiful little check from the government smells like a Democrat, one inclined to moaning about the fat cats and inequality and the general unfairness of it all.

And that, I suspect, is why Democrats will fight all the way down to bloody stumps to stop Social Security reform. It’s harder to recruit a guy with a fat portfolio into your harebrained class war, whereas a guy getting a government check is an easy mark. He might not be depressed enough to read Capital in the Twenty-First Century, which I suspect will join A Brief History of Time among the best-selling-least-read books of our time. (“A classic,” Mark Twain said, “is something everyone wants to have read and no one wants to read.”) But if he’s eating the federal cheese, he’ll keep voting for Democrats, even if he never stops to appreciate the irony in Harry Reid (D., Ritz-Carlton) getting rich peddling envy to rubes like him.

— Kevin D. Williamson is roving correspondent for National Review
 
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The purpose of social security is not to get maximum returns, but to always be there. In a crash like 2009 we would have been bailing out old people on top of everything else.

How people have forgotten this a mere five years after the crash is baffling and saddening to me.
 

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inequality doesnt mean anything as the State cant make people happy long term. that aside, i dont know how corporatizing SS would reduce inequality in income given that wall street would get paid to manage it.

a lot more money would be saved if the State just cut the maximum paycheck amount by a few hundred dollars per month per person and capped it at that for a few years.

anyway, it is really shitty that people who label themselves "fiscal conservatives" dont support making social security completely optional while phasing it out.
 

IronWing

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Social Security reform is desperately needed. SS taxes need to apply to the same percentage of the national income as they did when the scheme was set up. That means raising the cutoff and taxing capital gains until this is achieved. Income inequality and the regressive nature of the SS tax are destroying the system.
 

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The purpose of social security is not to get maximum returns, but to always be there. In a crash like 2009 we would have been bailing out old people on top of everything else.

How people have forgotten this a mere five years after the crash is baffling and saddening to me.

They've forgiven Obama for the crash and are moving on.
 

Zaap

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Heh. That crash that's made all the smart people wealthier than ever? A stock market crash is really a gift to long term investors. Go look at any stock chart you want how much you could have made since 2009 buying up companies that were selling dirt cheap. (Apple was a steal at $85 a share in 09! Today: $571 with a 7 way split headed your way. Aren't the dummies glad they followed the lefty gloom and doomer doofuses around nose-in-ass rather than get in on that?) Meanwhile, anyone who was properly managing their money didnt lose their principal in 09.

Meanwhile social sec is like letting everything ride on fleabag #7 with no real return. You're just counting on future taxpayers to pay for your return. Ponzi scheme. Good luck with that.

That article is spot on. Shows how contradictory the leftloons are. Always whining that the investor class enjoy endless riches. Oh yeah? So why not join them with social security? "Ohhhhhh boooo hooooo!!!!! Gloom and doooooom!!!!" Wait, so what happened to endless riches? Having it both ways as usual. Anything to keep sucking that government ass.
 

IronWing

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That article is spot on. Shows how contradictory the leftloons are. Always whining that the investor class enjoy endless riches. Oh yeah? So why not join them with social security? "Ohhhhhh boooo hooooo!!!!! Gloom and doooooom!!!!" Wait, so what happened to endless riches? Having it both ways as usual. Anything to keep sucking that government ass.
Strawman is stupid. SS is an insurance scheme, just like it says on the label.
 

KB

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>nationalreview

LOL



It's designed to appeal to idiots. Congratulations.


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just because you don't agree and the nationalreview tends to be one-sided, it doesn't mean the point of the article is completely invalid. I think the idea is interesting and one worth discussing. One benefit to investing social security outside of government bonds and into stocks, is that the government can't use it to waste money on more wars or bridges to nowhere. Instead its increasing capital for companies that hopefully are doing good things that benefit society like making new drugs.
A second benefit is that the stock market typically has a higher return than governemnt bonds. Another benefit is people can pass on those assest to their heirs when they die while SS is insurance and will not be paid out to heirs. A fourth benefit is that since people can see their contributions and can see their money grow in their investment account, the hope is that they will have a better idea of their future needs for retirement.
A problem with this scheme is that there is less safety and stock markets can have periods of very poor returns. In addition people often do not pay enough attention to their investments and make risky moves that may not pay off in the long run.
After having seen the difference between my retirement portfolio and the amount of credits SS claims I have earned, I am more interested in an investment piece of Social Security. My retirement portfolio gains have been 2.5 times greater than the SS gains, yet I have been taxed for SS far longer than I have been investing.
 
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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just because you don't agree and the nationalreview tends to be one-sided, it doesn't mean the point of the article is completely invalid. I think the idea is interesting and one worth discussing. One benefit to investing social security outside of government bonds and into stocks, is that the government can't use it to waste money on more wars or bridges to nowhere. Instead its increasing capital for companies that hopefully are doing good things that benefit society like making new drugs.
A second benefit is that the stock market typically has a higher return than governemnt bonds. Another benefit is people can pass on those assest to their heirs when they die while SS is insurance and will not be paid out to heirs. A fourth benefit is that since people can see their contributions and can see their money grow in their investment account, the hope is that they will have a better idea of their future needs for retirement.
A problem with this scheme is that there is less safety and stock markets can have periods of very poor returns. In addition people often do not pay enough attention to their investments and make risky moves that may not pay off in the long run.
After having seen the difference between my retirement portfolio and the amount of credits SS claims I have earned, I am more interested in an investment piece of Social Security. My retirement portfolio gains have been 2.5 times greater than the SS gains, yet I have been taxed for SS far longer than I have been investing.

The problem with all of it is really simple: social security was created for a specific purpose, the guarantee of a minimum income for seniors and the alleviation of poverty. If you make it into a 401(k) type of defined contribution vs. defined benefit, you remove the whole point.

What do you do when there's a big crash and you have old people who are losing their homes, are out in the street, etc? Do you let them starve? It's unlikely we are willing to do that. So do we bail them out? If so, then it's in everyone's best interest to make risky investments with a high upside, which again defeats the purpose.
 
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The problem with all of it is really simple: social security was created for a specific purpose, the guarantee of a minimum income for seniors and the alleviation of poverty. If you make it into a 401(k) type of defined contribution vs. defined benefit, you remove the whole point.

What do you do when there's a big crash and you have old people who are losing their homes, are out in the street, etc? Do you let them starve? It's unlikely we are willing to do that. So do we bail them out? If so, then it's in everyone's best interest to make risky investments with a high upside, which again defeats the purpose.

This. SS was not set up to maximize profits and get rich. Its s safety net for the working country for when they are disabled/retired/old. If you want to invest we have a bazillion options available to you outside SS.

They just need to keep their grubby hands out of the SS stock piles to ensure it remains intact for generations to come. Easy fix if they were so willing.
 

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The problem with all of it is really simple: social security was created for a specific purpose, the guarantee of a minimum income for seniors and the alleviation of poverty. If you make it into a 401(k) type of defined contribution vs. defined benefit, you remove the whole point.

What do you do when there's a big crash and you have old people who are losing their homes, are out in the street, etc? Do you let them starve? It's unlikely we are willing to do that. So do we bail them out? If so, then it's in everyone's best interest to make risky investments with a high upside, which again defeats the purpose.

Then put their payroll contributions directly into Treasury debt held in a privately held account that can't be liquidated until retirement. You accomplish the same objectives *plus* the people actually own the assets and won't be completely dependent on the whims of a future Congress to ensure the money is there for them.
 
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