Germany thinking of banning laser tag and paint ball

SAWYER

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There is not a facepalm.jpg big enough, when will the madness stop?!
http://www.thelocal.de/money/20090507-19127.html
The German government has agreed to tighten gun laws and ban games such as paintball and laser tag because lawmakers say they ?simulate killing? that could spark tragedies such as the Winnenden school massacre.


German media reported on Thursday that lawmakers from the ruling coalition had agreed on a catalogue of measures aimed at clamping down on illegal firearms and better monitoring privately owned weapons.

"We have agreed on reasonable changes that will mean more security without over-regulating hobby marksmen and hunters," the deputy head of the conservative Christian Union parliamentary group, Wolfgang Bosbach, told the Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung.

The measures include banning paintball, where players use air rifles to shoot ammunition filled with paint at opponents, and laser tag, a game where players attempt to score points by shooting each other with an infrared-emitting gun.

Violators of the ban would be slapped with fines of up to ?5,000, the paper reported.

?The games simulate killing,? Bosbach said.

The move comes two months after 17-year-old Tim Kretschmar killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers at his old school in Winnenden in southwestern Germany, with a gun stolen from his father?s bedroom. The incident has sparked a fierce debate on gun laws in Germany.

German media reported that lawmakers were also considering barring people under the age of 18 from shooting high-calibre guns at target practice and permitting police to conduct random checks at the homes of gun owners to ensure their weapons are under lock and key.

Other measures would include creating a digital database of firearms as well as biometric security systems to help ensure weapons are used by their rightful owners. In addition, lawmakers would introduce an amnesty for owners of illegal firearms if they turn them in to authorities, reports said.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Sawyer

The German government has agreed to tighten gun laws and ban games such as paintball and laser tag because lawmakers say they ?simulate killing? that could spark tragedies such as the Winnenden school massacre.

They are going to have to ban more video games as well. Pretty soon they will be playing games where teletubbies throw marshmallows at each other. Movies would be next on the list.

Paintball seems like a great stress reducer. You can inflict some pain on someone with out it ending a life.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Sawyer

The German government has agreed to tighten gun laws and ban games such as paintball and laser tag because lawmakers say they ?simulate killing? that could spark tragedies such as the Winnenden school massacre.

They are going to have to ban more video games as well. Pretty soon they will be playing games where teletubbies throw marshmallows at each other. Movies would be next on the list.

Paintball seems like a great stress reducer. You can inflict some pain on someone with out it ending a life.
IIRC, Germany has stricter video game laws concerning violence, and games sometimes have a special German edition. Or maybe that's no longer the case anymore, I'm not positive...
 

Modelworks

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ugh.
I guess they will be editing movies next.
I can't recall the name of the company , but there is one that sells videos with all the 'bad stuff' edited out. Watching something like terminator was a 45 minute movie.
 

daishi5

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Amazingly, gun laws seem to be the one place where there is no slippery slope so steep that it is not true. People seem to think that they can control people and make them better by taking away their freedoms one by one.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
There is not a facepalm.jpg big enough, when will the madness stop?!
http://www.thelocal.de/money/20090507-19127.html
The German government has agreed to tighten gun laws and ban games such as paintball and laser tag because lawmakers say they ?simulate killing? that could spark tragedies such as the Winnenden school massacre.


German media reported on Thursday that lawmakers from the ruling coalition had agreed on a catalogue of measures aimed at clamping down on illegal firearms and better monitoring privately owned weapons.

"We have agreed on reasonable changes that will mean more security without over-regulating hobby marksmen and hunters," the deputy head of the conservative Christian Union parliamentary group, Wolfgang Bosbach, told the Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung.

The measures include banning paintball, where players use air rifles to shoot ammunition filled with paint at opponents, and laser tag, a game where players attempt to score points by shooting each other with an infrared-emitting gun.

Violators of the ban would be slapped with fines of up to ?5,000, the paper reported.

?The games simulate killing,? Bosbach said.

The move comes two months after 17-year-old Tim Kretschmar killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers at his old school in Winnenden in southwestern Germany, with a gun stolen from his father?s bedroom. The incident has sparked a fierce debate on gun laws in Germany.

German media reported that lawmakers were also considering barring people under the age of 18 from shooting high-calibre guns at target practice and permitting police to conduct random checks at the homes of gun owners to ensure their weapons are under lock and key.

Other measures would include creating a digital database of firearms as well as biometric security systems to help ensure weapons are used by their rightful owners. In addition, lawmakers would introduce an amnesty for owners of illegal firearms if they turn them in to authorities, reports said.

Yeah, nothing scary about that at all. German police who can randomly kick down the door to verify whatever they want. :Q

This world is going to madness so fast it's amazing.....
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Sawyer
There is not a facepalm.jpg big enough, when will the madness stop?!
http://www.thelocal.de/money/20090507-19127.html
The German government has agreed to tighten gun laws and ban games such as paintball and laser tag because lawmakers say they ?simulate killing? that could spark tragedies such as the Winnenden school massacre.


German media reported on Thursday that lawmakers from the ruling coalition had agreed on a catalogue of measures aimed at clamping down on illegal firearms and better monitoring privately owned weapons.

"We have agreed on reasonable changes that will mean more security without over-regulating hobby marksmen and hunters," the deputy head of the conservative Christian Union parliamentary group, Wolfgang Bosbach, told the Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung.

The measures include banning paintball, where players use air rifles to shoot ammunition filled with paint at opponents, and laser tag, a game where players attempt to score points by shooting each other with an infrared-emitting gun.

Violators of the ban would be slapped with fines of up to ?5,000, the paper reported.

?The games simulate killing,? Bosbach said.

The move comes two months after 17-year-old Tim Kretschmar killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers at his old school in Winnenden in southwestern Germany, with a gun stolen from his father?s bedroom. The incident has sparked a fierce debate on gun laws in Germany.

German media reported that lawmakers were also considering barring people under the age of 18 from shooting high-calibre guns at target practice and permitting police to conduct random checks at the homes of gun owners to ensure their weapons are under lock and key.

Other measures would include creating a digital database of firearms as well as biometric security systems to help ensure weapons are used by their rightful owners. In addition, lawmakers would introduce an amnesty for owners of illegal firearms if they turn them in to authorities, reports said.

Yeah, nothing scary about that at all. German police who can randomly kick down the door to verify whatever they want. :Q

This world is going to madness so fast it's amazing.....

They are used to it ;D

Yeah I know tasteless jab.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Sawyer
There is not a facepalm.jpg big enough, when will the madness stop?!
http://www.thelocal.de/money/20090507-19127.html
The German government has agreed to tighten gun laws and ban games such as paintball and laser tag because lawmakers say they ?simulate killing? that could spark tragedies such as the Winnenden school massacre.


German media reported on Thursday that lawmakers from the ruling coalition had agreed on a catalogue of measures aimed at clamping down on illegal firearms and better monitoring privately owned weapons.

"We have agreed on reasonable changes that will mean more security without over-regulating hobby marksmen and hunters," the deputy head of the conservative Christian Union parliamentary group, Wolfgang Bosbach, told the Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung.

The measures include banning paintball, where players use air rifles to shoot ammunition filled with paint at opponents, and laser tag, a game where players attempt to score points by shooting each other with an infrared-emitting gun.

Violators of the ban would be slapped with fines of up to ?5,000, the paper reported.

?The games simulate killing,? Bosbach said.

The move comes two months after 17-year-old Tim Kretschmar killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers at his old school in Winnenden in southwestern Germany, with a gun stolen from his father?s bedroom. The incident has sparked a fierce debate on gun laws in Germany.

German media reported that lawmakers were also considering barring people under the age of 18 from shooting high-calibre guns at target practice and permitting police to conduct random checks at the homes of gun owners to ensure their weapons are under lock and key.

Other measures would include creating a digital database of firearms as well as biometric security systems to help ensure weapons are used by their rightful owners. In addition, lawmakers would introduce an amnesty for owners of illegal firearms if they turn them in to authorities, reports said.

Yeah, nothing scary about that at all. German police who can randomly kick down the door to verify whatever they want. :Q

This world is going to madness so fast it's amazing.....

They are used to it ;D

Yeah I know tasteless jab.

Of all people, you'd think Germans would be more sensitive to giving the police / government limitless powers to do this kind of stuff...... but I don't want to hijack the thread.

This notion that removing depictions or simulations of violence somehow removes violence from society is utterly stupid, but it seems to be gaining traction with idiots everywhere.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Of all people, you'd think Germans would be more sensitive to giving the police / government limitless powers to do this kind of stuff...... but I don't want to hijack the thread.

This notion that removing depictions or simulations of violence somehow removes violence from society is utterly stupid, but it seems to be gaining traction with idiots everywhere.

Germany also bans any Swastika or mention of Nazism. Try selling a video game with a Swastika or mention of Nazi's in Germany. Yet they still have a movement within their borders. The govt ditto heads really believe if they only ban something it will go away.
 

StageLeft

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The measures include banning paintball, where players use air rifles to shoot ammunition filled with paint at opponents
Interesting how words can be. Another way to do it is:

The measure includes banning paintball, where players use markers to shoot paint-filled balls at opponents.

Do they simulate killing? Absolutely. If Germany intends to remove all simulations of violence, including violent movies (might as well), good luck. Epic fail.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
IIRC, Germany has stricter video game laws concerning violence, and games sometimes have a special German edition. Or maybe that's no longer the case anymore, I'm not positive...

the german version of red alert had the scene where einstein goes back in time to kill hitler removed
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Of all people, you'd think Germans would be more sensitive to giving the police / government limitless powers to do this kind of stuff...... but I don't want to hijack the thread.

This notion that removing depictions or simulations of violence somehow removes violence from society is utterly stupid, but it seems to be gaining traction with idiots everywhere.

Germany also bans any Swastika or mention of Nazism. Try selling a video game with a Swastika or mention of Nazi's in Germany. Yet they still have a movement within their borders. The govt ditto heads really believe if they only ban something it will go away.

And that very observation is why government is very rarely the solution to any problem. The more government does or is allowed/asked to do by the people, the less freedom people have ending up in some totalitarian system.

That government is best which governs least. - Henry David Thoreau
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: cubby1223
IIRC, Germany has stricter video game laws concerning violence, and games sometimes have a special German edition. Or maybe that's no longer the case anymore, I'm not positive...

the german version of red alert had the scene where einstein goes back in time to kill hitler removed
I think one popular game (Half Life?) replaced blood with nuts and bolts that would come out of a person when "killed".

I also find an obvious irony in Germany clearly banning free speech in certain areas, among other things, effectively using tools of oppression to fight against the kind of oppressive government they had some decades ago. Kind of like rubbing yourself with one kind of sh*t to clean yourself of another that's already there.
 

dainthomas

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Too bad Germany wasn't such a bunch of effete pussies back in 1939. Poland would've sent them scampering with their tails between their legs.