Germany May Withhold 9/11 Evidence

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

And do u have any idea what it costs to decontaminate the areas where u had (and partly still have) ur mil. bases on

Do you have any idea what it cost us to keep our bases there and keep the Russians from overruning you?

Not sur if u know but if u r using windows, on the lower right is a clock, if u double click it it will give u the year we have now. Let me help u it is 2002 not 1962

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: jjones
Sorry, but if not for the German scientists Russia captured, they would have been no better off than the US. BTW, sending men to the moon was a side-effect of developing ballistic missiles, not the other way around.

So? Fact is that had US not had those Germans, USSR would have beaten you. Yep, they had Germans too, but that doesn't change the fact that US was dependant of those scientists.

And father of rocketry and space-travel was a Russian:

Konstantin Tsiolkovsky

Sorry but that's not fact at all, that's just your speculation. Here's a fact for you: Both the US and the Russians had the help of German scientists. The Russians were ahead in the space race and in fact had the first man in space. Yet the Americans beat them to the moon. That's a fact. Your scenario, without the help of the Germans, puts the Russians at an advantage. Why? We still could have caught up and beat them to the moon anyway, as we have the habit of doing those kind of things when necessary. But that's just my speculation.

 

[B00ne]

jjones ur are definately right, and it doesnt matter really the russians have their strngths in spce so do u and that (provided the russiand had money) adds up to a collective advantage for internayinal projects liek the spacestation

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: shinerburke

And do u have any idea what it costs to decontaminate the areas where u had (and partly still have) ur mil. bases on

Do you have any idea what it cost us to keep our bases there and keep the Russians from overruning you?

Not sur if u know but if u r using windows, on the lower right is a clock, if u double click it it will give u the year we have now. Let me help u it is 2002 not 1962

Hmm the cold war ended around 1990 the last time I checked. Cost of keeping the russians out of Europe from 1945-1990 is not a trivial amount of cash. Then we could tack on the costs of coming over to clean out Bosnia and Kosovo during the 90s.....

 

[B00ne]

ok so I exaggerated (sry my spelling is going down) like I often do on these boards, do u think we (Europe in general) dont pay for this stuff too? U need to quit thinking u are the lone savior of the world. We also payed many billions for gulf war one although we didnt participate ( participation in out of germany missions is actually still prohibited by our constitution - which regularly causes trouble in the Parliament as well as among the ppl)

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: B00ne
ok so I exaggerated (sry my spelling is going down) like I often do on these boards, do u think we (Europe in general) dont pay for this stuff too? U need to quit thinking u are the lone savior of the world. We also payed many billions for gulf war one although we didnt participate ( participation in out of germany missions is actually still prohibited by our constitution - which regularly causes trouble in the Parliament as well as among the ppl)

Europe does pay, it is just a very fractional amount. I think most Americans would be delighted if most of Europe started to build up their militarys so we did not have to be there....

 

[B00ne]

I know but there is a problem: A) we dont have the money (because our social system is eating everything up - at least here in germany)
B) ppl strongly dislike that - actually ppl strongly dislike anything military or raising it - here u even have to justify yourself for doing the mandatory military service (you can opt out and do social service but it requires quite an effort but nowadays the majority (or close to) does that) - especially with the girls u have a hard stand if u did the military service

edit: actually I myself ( I was stupid enough to do the military) was proposing (in discussions with friends) often enough, that we should get rid of our own military and just pay U (as u have alot in germany)

 

[PistachioByAzul]

The business interests the US was protecting recouped the cost of keeping bases there. We weren't doing it for our health, and certainly not for anyone elses. It's all about the cash money money.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Damn I went to bed after I posted this thread and look what happened.

America is just as bad as the terrorists they are trying to stop.

Two words for you.........Northern Ireland.

The IRA is/was meant to abolish British rule.... too bad we haven't succeeded yet....

 

[duke]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: duke

Originally posted by: B00ne
The american rocket program on the other hand was totally dependent on the german scientists, also the first rocket to start from american soil was a V2 (so I heard)

I guess you have never heard of Dr. Robert Goddard. The first rocket using liquid fuel blasted off on 3-16-1926 in Auburn, Mass. The german V series rockets were HEAVILY based on Dr. Goddard's design.

FACTS

I know the Americans want to make Goddard always to the father of rocketry but the award for liquid fuel rockets goes to a russian some 50 years before Goddard - Ziolkowski - although back then the means for building such devices didnt exsist

so The V2 was not the 1rst, ok

I don't mean to take any credit away from Tsiolkovsky, but you can't deny the fact that the first liguid fueled rocket was designed and built by Goddard. So your claim that the american rocket program "was totally dependent on the german scientists" is incorrect. However, it is true that after WW2, America's program was led by captured German scientists, notably Werhner Von Braun.

You are correct that the V2 is not the first. Who said it was?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: toant103

Originally posted by: shinerburke BERLIN (AP) - Germany has told the United States it will withhold evidence against Sept. 11 conspiracy defendant Zacarias Moussaoui unless it receives assurances that the material won't be used to secure a death penalty against him, Germany's justice minister said in remarks released Saturday. Full Story Two words: Fvck Germany!!

If it's not for the Marshall Plan, Germany would be a third world country.

And if Germany had not been so severely punished after WWI there would have been no Hitler.

The United States did not sign the Treaty of Versailles. They signed a different treaty that was less harsh for Germany.

SOMEBODY signed the treaty, and that caused a cascade of events that resulted in Hitler coming to power. France was most eager to punish Germany forever. Germany was raped and pillaged, and it's economy trashed. In November of 1923 one dollar was worth 1 trillion marks. In the next election, the Nationalists won control of the government and promised vengence on those who brought chaos to the Germans. They kept their promise. If the Europeans showed half the wisdom of Lincoln in rebuilding Germany the first time instead of exacting revenge, then most likely the need for the Marshall Plan would never have existed. Seems the Europeans decided to punish a country for what it's unpopular leaders did. That worked out well didn't it?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh, RE Goddard

Yep, the Germans made use of his rocketry program. Seems that in the US, Goddard was considered an eccentric who invented something so useless as to be comical. Not a great call on our part.