German School Shooting Kills 15

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Weapons_Law

After 1945, the Allied Forces commanded the complete disarming of Germany. Even German police officers were initially not allowed to carry firearms. Private ownership of firearms was not allowed until after 1956[8]. The legal status returned essentially to that of the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of 1928. The regulation of the matter was thoroughly revised in 1972, when the new Federal Weapons Act (Bundeswaffengesetz) became effective.

In Germany the possession of any firearm with a fire energy exceeding 7.5 Joule requires a valid firearms ownership license for any particular weapon. The current Federal Weapons Act adopts a two-tiered approach to firarms licensing.

A firearms ownership license (Waffenbesitzkarte) must be obtained before a weapon can be purchased. Owners of multiple firearms need separate ownership licenses for every single firearm they own. It entitles owners to purchase firearms and handle them on their own property and any private property with property owner consent. On public premises, a licensed firearm must be transported unloaded and in a stable, fully enclosing, locked container. A weapons ownership license does not entitle the owner to shoot the weapon or carry it on public premises without the prescribed container. Firearms ownership licenses are valid three years or less, and owners must obtain mandatory insurance and a means to securely store the weapon on their premises (a weapons locker.) Blanket ownership licenses are sometimes issued to arms dealers.

A number of criteria must be met before a firearms ownership license is issued:

* age of consent (18 years for rimfire arms/21 years higher calibers) (§ 4 WaffG)
* trustworthiness (§ 5 WaffG)
* personal adequacy (§ 6 WaffG)
* expert knowledge (§ 7 WaffG) and
* necessity (§ 8 WaffG) (Necessity is automatically assumed present for licensed hunters and owners of a carry permits (Waffenschein)).

Persons who are

* convicted felons
* have a record of mental disorder or
* are deemed unreliable (which includes people with drug or alcohol addiction histories and known violent or aggressive persons)

are barred from obtaining a firearms ownership license.

Firearms carry permits entitle licensees to publicly carry legally owned weapons, loaded in a concealed or non-concealed manner. A mandatory legal and safety class and shooting proficiency tests are required to obtain such a permit. Carry permits are usually only issued to persons with a particular need for carrying a firearm. This includes licensed hunters, law-enforcement officers, security personnel and persons living under a raised threat-level like celebrities and politicians.

The weapons law does not apply to military use of weapons within the Bundeswehr.

The identity card of German troops contains a term allowing them carrying weapons. Nevertheless, issuance of guns and especially ammunition is also very strictly controlled within the armed forces.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.

So then gun control has no effect?

OK, then why have gun control?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.

So then gun control has no effect?

OK, then why have gun control?
Please re read the first post, then my response, then your response. It's not too late to admit that your post made no sense :)
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.

So then gun control has no effect?

OK, then why have gun control?
Please re read the first post, then my response, then your response. It's not too late to admit that your post made no sense :)

Sorry Skoorb, your post didn't make sense to me either.

 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.

So then gun control has no effect?

OK, then why have gun control?
Please re read the first post, then my response, then your response. It's not too late to admit that your post made no sense :)

Sorry, but I don't see it? Clearly Nebor was being sarcastic in his first post, so bringing up the Alabama shooting proves nothing one way or the other in regards to gun control?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.

So then gun control has no effect?

OK, then why have gun control?
Please re read the first post, then my response, then your response. It's not too late to admit that your post made no sense :)

Sorry, but I don't see it? Clearly Nebor was being sarcastic in his first post, so bringing up the Alabama shooting proves nothing one way or the other in regards to gun control?
I can see point of confusion here. My post makes sense if I didn't think Nebor was being sarcastic and, based on his history here, he wasn't. Unless he always is, but it was very consistent with stances he has elsewhere.

 

jman19

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._germany_school_attack

I think it's clear that Germany needs to start licensing firearms owners and registering the weapons. That's the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening.
Pwnage post of the year, gunman in Alabama kills 11.

Since Germany already has some of the strictist gun and ammo control laws on the books, you are the one with the egg on your face.

Epic fail on reading comprehension. If anything, you replied to the wrong person.

Explain to me how it's an "epic fail". :p

He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.

So then gun control has no effect?

OK, then why have gun control?

Talk about crappy logic - I never made the assertion either way, but Nebor is claiming that looser gun control alone would have stopped what happened.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: SkoorbI can see point of confusion here. My post makes sense if I didn't think Nebor was being sarcastic and, based on his history here, he wasn't. Unless he always is, but it was very consistent with stances he has elsewhere.

No problem. I thought you must have missed his sarcasm, it was the only thing that fit. :)

IMO, when it comes to guns and gun laws Nebor is one of the most informed posters we have on this board.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: jman19

Talk about crappy logic - I never made the assertion either way, but Nebor is claiming that looser gun control alone would have stopped what happened.

No he's not. He's pointing out that the very strict control that Germany has didn't stop this tragedy.

 

jman19

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19

Talk about crappy logic - I never made the assertion either way, but Nebor is claiming that looser gun control alone would have stopped what happened.

No he's not. He's pointing out that the very strict control that Germany has didn't stop this tragedy.

From the tone of the post, I thought gun control was even stricter and that he was advocating looser (albeit still strong) gun control - went back up and saw your Wiki post. My mistake :)