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German IT Distributor Publishes AMD+Intel Roadmaps: Z490, Z390, 8-Core CFL in Q4

positivedoppler said:
Too little too late with 10nm or 7nm right around the corner
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Agreed; if they had released CFL with 8 core at the start then I would already have one.

However, I'll hold off another 6+ months see the 2019 offerings; which is pretty easy to do given the lack of progress over the last 5 years! Whatever I buy will likely be for another 5+ years given current progress.
 
positivedoppler said:
Too little too late with 10nm or 7nm right around the corner
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Me thinks you are falling into the trap of thinking everyone out there is like those of us on this forum. The Intel name alone and the fact it's a new product for them will result in sales they can barely keep up with.
 
DooKey said:
Me thinks you are falling into the trap of thinking everyone out there is like those of us on this forum. The Intel name alone and the fact it's a new product for them will result in sales they can barely keep up with.
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Oh definitely. As long as they have a compelling product, it will sell.
 
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DooKey said:
Me thinks you are falling into the trap of thinking everyone out there is like those of us on this forum. The Intel name alone and the fact it's a new product for them will result in sales they can barely keep up with.
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I wonder what clocks will be @ 95W??
 
Ajay said:
I wonder what clocks will be @ 95W??
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It has to be higher than 95W for decent clocks methinks, or they better start soldering them again...

Could look at ARK and see what 8c/16t Xeons list for wattages. I know 85W Xeons run at 2.2 / 2.4 Ghz.
 
B-Riz said:
It has to be higher than 95W for decent clocks methinks, or they better start soldering them again...

Could look at ARK and see what 8c/16t Xeons list for wattages. I know 85W Xeons run at 2.2 / 2.4 Ghz.
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Intel need to best Zen+ methinks, at least at turbo frequencies. I think socket 370 is limited to 95 watts. So, that'll be a problem on 14nm++.
 
B-Riz said:
It has to be higher than 95W for decent clocks methinks, or they better start soldering them again...

Could look at ARK and see what 8c/16t Xeons list for wattages. I know 85W Xeons run at 2.2 / 2.4 Ghz.
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Given that the 8c/16t The Ryzen 2700 runs at 3.2 Ghz with a 65W TDP. I don't think too many people will happy with an 8 core/16 thread CFL CPU with lower clock speeds and higher wattage. I know I wouldn't.
 
Ajay said:
Intel need to best Zen+ methinks, at least at turbo frequencies. I think socket 370 is limited to 95 watts. So, that'll be a problem on 14nm++.
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About the only thing I would bet money on is that it is going to cost more than AMD, but then why not get X299?

It will probably be a little faster than Zen+, but will the extra $$$ be a better value than AMD?

Is the extra money cost correlated to the extra performance gained...

But then Threadripper 2 will be out in the fall, and they will have the best of the best Zen+ cores, and maybe an R7 2800X with some choice chips that clocks decently higher than R7 2700X.

And Q4 Intel 8 core regular desktop is too close to Zen2, which is actually supposed to clock really well.
 
eek2121 said:
AMD Z490??? The trolling continues. Interesting. I wonder what they have planned?
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Embarrassing stuff from AMD once again. Looks like they don't have much faith with a unique branding. So Intel probably won't continue with Z490 for Icelake.
 
Ajay said:
Intel need to best Zen+ methinks, at least at turbo frequencies. I think socket 370 is limited to 95 watts. So, that'll be a problem on 14nm++.
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That is more like z370 MBs must support 95 watt TDP at minimum. I am sure most of them support much more power than that, and are a system flash update away from officially supporting higher TDP processors.
 
Ajay said:
Intel need to best Zen+ methinks, at least at turbo frequencies. I think socket 370 is limited to 95 watts. So, that'll be a problem on 14nm++.
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8700k overclocks to 5 ghz, so the 8 core may approach that. Can't imagine that it won't overclock higher than zen+ which struggles to reach 4.1/4.2 all core. Bigger question to me is the price. Will they price it like current 8700k/2700 and lower other prices, or will it be 400.00 plus.
 
ondma said:
8700k overclocks to 5 ghz, so the 8 core may approach that. Can't imagine that it won't overclock higher than zen+ which struggles to reach 4.1/4.2 all core. Bigger question to me is the price. Will they price it like current 8700k/2700 and lower other prices, or will it be 400.00 plus.
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In an ideal world, the '9700K' should slot straight into the 8700K price point, which is what Intel has done in the past when releasing a new gen of i7 K SKUs. That said, I think the 8700K MSRP was $20 higher than the 7700K, so it's not always an exact swapover.

So I'm hoping it will cost around the same as a 8700K, but even if it was $400 that will probably be justified compared to say, a $330 2700X. AMD will probably drop prices by then though, and possibly release a 2800X to be more competitive in reviews. At the end of the day I'm just glad that we now have a truly competitive landscape in the CPU market.

Finally, that is very cheeky of AMD if the rumours are true of the z490! I was thinking it was another Intel chipset haha
 
Intel would need to up the tdp to get a high frequency 8 core cpu. Despite being only 14nm it would perform well though, look at the 8700k compared to the 2600x.

Improve the tim, up the tdp to 125w, and you can probably get an 8 core at around 4.5 ghz imo.
 
StinkyPinky said:
Intel would need to up the tdp to get a high frequency 8 core cpu. Despite being only 14nm it would perform well though, look at the 8700k compared to the 2600x.

Improve the tim, up the tdp to 125w, and you can probably get an 8 core at around 4.5 ghz imo.
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Speaking for myself, I don't want a 125W CPU.
 
StinkyPinky said:
Intel would need to up the tdp to get a high frequency 8 core cpu. Despite being only 14nm it would perform well though, look at the 8700k compared to the 2600x.

Improve the tim, up the tdp to 125w, and you can probably get an 8 core at around 4.5 ghz imo.
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I get near 125W package power on an 8700K at 4.7GHz all core no AVX offset with a -50mV vcore offset. Maybe 4.3GHz for an 8 core all-core turbo would be viable. I think 4.5GHz all core on 8c/16t is stretching it a bit.
 
StinkyPinky said:
Intel would need to up the tdp to get a high frequency 8 core cpu. Despite being only 14nm it would perform well though, look at the 8700k compared to the 2600x.

Improve the tim, up the tdp to 125w, and you can probably get an 8 core at around 4.5 ghz imo.
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Yeah TDP will have to be increased, 125W sounds about right based on a 95W 8700K.

I don't think frequencies will necessarily suffer either, it could have identical turbo clocks to an 8700K up to 6C, but 8C loads might need to run at slightly lower clocks depending on the TDP headroom.

Even though I already have a 8700K @ 5.0GHz, the thought of a 9700K @ 5.0GHz does sound tempting, that's entering TR/ Skylake X territory for MT performance whilst still having the benefits of the lower latency ringbus.
 
PeterScott said:
That is more like z370 MBs must support 95 watt TDP at minimum. I am sure most of them support much more power than that, and are a system flash update away from officially supporting higher TDP processors.
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actually if intel really want backward compatible can can always release the cpu with quite low base clock but have aggressive turbo, so all the cheap, bargain bin, motherboard can still compatible but with restricted turbo(just like AMD do now with their ryzen 2).
 
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