German Islamic group suspects held

[Beowulf]

German Islamic group suspects held



BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Police have arrested 22 members of a suspected criminal Islamic extremist network thought to be involved in recruiting for jihad, or holy war, Munich police said.

The arrests capped an extended investigation of the group, suspected of helping terrorists and centered in the area of the southern German city of Ulm.

About 700 police officers raided 57 apartments, businesses and mosques in five German states -- Bavaria, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Hesse, North-Rhine Westfalia and Berlin.

Eleven arrest warrants were issued nationwide, and another 11 people were temporarily arrested. They are suspected of being members of the association supporting Islamic extremists. Police said, for example, several of the suspects are supposed to have falsified documents in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Other suspects are in Germany illegally, Munich police said. One of them is known to use eight different identities.

Among those arrested are five women. Police said they include citizens from several Arab states, mostly Maghreb, but also Germans. They range in age from 17 to 46.

Munich police said the network used the profits from its criminal activities to promote its "ideological goals," including the recruitment of people for jihad -- Arabic for holy war or struggle -- and allowing them to stay in Germany and other countries illegally with false documents.

There are no indications the group was planning any specific attacks, police said.

There are signs the association has ties to the Al-Thawid and Ansar Al-Islam organizations, police added. One suspect apparently has attended an al Qaeda camp in Pakistan.

Three of the September 11, 2001 hijackers lived in Germany, and since then German authorities have been cracking down on Islamic extremists.

A state interior minister said in remarks quoted by The Associated Press that the investigation was evidence of Germany's "uncompromising fight strategy" in the war on terror.

CNN's Stephanie Halasz contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/...any.arrests/index.html

:thumbsup: Go Germany

 

[Aimster]

I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

 

[Infohawk]

I'm glad they are being held.

Let's sum up the crypto-zealot position when I say that because other coutnries have tortured people the US should be allowed to too and that these suspects are monsters who are trying to take away are freedom.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm glad they are being held.

Let's sum up the crypto-zealot position when I say that because other coutnries have tortured people the US should be allowed to too and that these suspects are monsters who are trying to take away are freedom.

But if we don't send them to trial we have no solid proof they are trying to take our freedom away. We are just assuming they are trying to take away our freedom. We arrest immigrants now and jail them beause they come from a country we don't like.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm glad they are being held.

[parody]
Let's sum up the crypto-zealot position when I say that because other coutnries have tortured people the US should be allowed to too and that these suspects are monsters who are trying to take away are freedom.
[/parody]

Fixed.

 

[conjur]

Why haven't we found any islamic terrorist cells here in the U.S.? Surely some exist. They all didn't hijack those airplanes on 9/11. WTH is Homeland Security doing anyway?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm glad they are being held.

[parody]
Let's sum up the crypto-zealot position when I say that because other coutnries have tortured people the US should be allowed to too and that these suspects are monsters who are trying to take away are freedom.
[/parody]

Fixed.

lol. I need to get out more 🙁

 

[Infohawk]

Nah, it was badly executed on my part.

 

[Beowulf]

I'm Cuban and lived in Cuba and its cool that you guys can say whatever you guys like I remember this old man making an anti castro song and being killed infront of everyone to show a message by the security of state.Freedom of Speech is the best but anyways congrats to Germany for doing their part in stopping radicals.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: conjur
Why haven't we found any islamic terrorist cells here in the U.S.? Surely some exist. They all didn't hijack those airplanes on 9/11. WTH is Homeland Security doing anyway?

they probably feel more at home in europe😛 many of the 9/11 terrorists spent time and became radicalized there

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: conjur
Why haven't we found any islamic terrorist cells here in the U.S.? Surely some exist. They all didn't hijack those airplanes on 9/11. WTH is Homeland Security doing anyway?

What about that Buffalo cell?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

Do you have any links to these immigration jails?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have that there. Germany legally allowed religious profiling. Several European countries have instituted similar policies. You can even be held in prison for 3 1/2 years in France before a trial is set up. The UK has their own mini-Guantanamo.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

Do you have any links to these immigration jails?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have that there. Germany legally allowed religious profiling. Several European countries have instituted similar policies. You can even be held in prison for 3 1/2 years in France before a trial is set up. The UK has their own mini-Guantanamo.

San Pedro, CA, Jan. 10 (UPI) -- A federal judge set a Feb. 20 deadline for the government to free four Iranian brothers who were jailed just weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The Mirmehdi brothers -- Mohsen, Mojtaba, Mohammed and Mostafa -- who were arrested in October 2001 on immigration charges and have been detained for more than three years at California's Terminal Island immigration jail, must be released on bail in a matter of weeks if the government does not produce new evidence of their ties to terrorism, the Los Angeles Times reported.

"If we had been convicted of something, we would know our sentences. But for three years we've gone month to month, not knowing when we are getting out," said Mostafa Mirmehdi.

The government alleges the brothers have links to the terrorist group Moujahedeen Khalq, which is dedicated to the overthrow of Iran's ruling clerics, but the Board of Immigration Appeals and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have concluded U.S. lawyers failed to prove those links and the brothers cannot be deported to Iran because they would be persecuted or tortured.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

Do you have any links to these immigration jails?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have that there. Germany legally allowed religious profiling. Several European countries have instituted similar policies. You can even be held in prison for 3 1/2 years in France before a trial is set up. The UK has their own mini-Guantanamo.

San Pedro, CA, Jan. 10 (UPI) -- A federal judge set a Feb. 20 deadline for the government to free four Iranian brothers who were jailed just weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The Mirmehdi brothers -- Mohsen, Mojtaba, Mohammed and Mostafa -- who were arrested in October 2001 on immigration charges and have been detained for more than three years at California's Terminal Island immigration jail, must be released on bail in a matter of weeks if the government does not produce new evidence of their ties to terrorism, the Los Angeles Times reported.

"If we had been convicted of something, we would know our sentences. But for three years we've gone month to month, not knowing when we are getting out," said Mostafa Mirmehdi.

The government alleges the brothers have links to the terrorist group Moujahedeen Khalq, which is dedicated to the overthrow of Iran's ruling clerics, but the Board of Immigration Appeals and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have concluded U.S. lawyers failed to prove those links and the brothers cannot be deported to Iran because they would be persecuted or tortured.

Can I have the link? I'd like to read more about it.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

Do you have any links to these immigration jails?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have that there. Germany legally allowed religious profiling. Several European countries have instituted similar policies. You can even be held in prison for 3 1/2 years in France before a trial is set up. The UK has their own mini-Guantanamo.

San Pedro, CA, Jan. 10 (UPI) -- A federal judge set a Feb. 20 deadline for the government to free four Iranian brothers who were jailed just weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The Mirmehdi brothers -- Mohsen, Mojtaba, Mohammed and Mostafa -- who were arrested in October 2001 on immigration charges and have been detained for more than three years at California's Terminal Island immigration jail, must be released on bail in a matter of weeks if the government does not produce new evidence of their ties to terrorism, the Los Angeles Times reported.

"If we had been convicted of something, we would know our sentences. But for three years we've gone month to month, not knowing when we are getting out," said Mostafa Mirmehdi.

The government alleges the brothers have links to the terrorist group Moujahedeen Khalq, which is dedicated to the overthrow of Iran's ruling clerics, but the Board of Immigration Appeals and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have concluded U.S. lawyers failed to prove those links and the brothers cannot be deported to Iran because they would be persecuted or tortured.

Can I have the link? I'd like to read more about it.

Oops, sorry.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi...50110-124545-8703r.htm

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

Do you have any links to these immigration jails?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have that there. Germany legally allowed religious profiling. Several European countries have instituted similar policies. You can even be held in prison for 3 1/2 years in France before a trial is set up. The UK has their own mini-Guantanamo.

Bull, sure you can be held in prison for that time in france. In denmark, the authorities can keep you in jail as long as they want, no laws at all about that. That doesn't mean it's happening. Yes nothing is happening that can be even compared to Guantanamo. The UK has it's own mini guantanamo?

Besides why are you attacking european countries, if they do something like it, it's wrong and should be changed. That still doesn't exclude the fact that the US admiin is jumping on any forms of civil rights...

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if they will hold them without trial for 3 years+ like the U.S has been doing with some people in the U.S. They are jailed in immigration jails because they are "suspected" of being up to something.

Do you have any links to these immigration jails?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have that there. Germany legally allowed religious profiling. Several European countries have instituted similar policies. You can even be held in prison for 3 1/2 years in France before a trial is set up. The UK has their own mini-Guantanamo.

Bull, sure you can be held in prison for that time in france. In denmark, the authorities can keep you in jail as long as they want, no laws at all about that. That doesn't mean it's happening. Yes nothing is happening that can be even compared to Guantanamo. The UK has it's own mini guantanamo?

Besides why are you attacking european countries, if they do something like it, it's wrong and should be changed. That still doesn't exclude the fact that the US admiin is jumping on any forms of civil rights...

Aimster is wondering whether they'll be like how the US treats some people. I'm stating that they most likely already do. That's why I brought up those statements. I'll criticize anyone I want, US or EU or whatever, and I do. That's why I asked Aimster for his link, so I can keep it for later to use in discussions.

You can be held for 3 1/2 years in prison in France before the trial is set up. They even have a vague "conspiracy in relation to terrorism" charge that they like to use.

Yes, the UK has its own mini-Gitmo. link

Denmark? Are you talking about the same Denmark which was blasted by the European Council for passing legislation that's a threat to human rights of immigrants and refugees?