German government’s Ethics Council - Sex between brothers and sisters should be legal

[Blackjack200]

The only thing that would sway me for state intervention would be is if b&s incest is commonly linked to some history of sexual abuse.

I believe prostitution is linked to abuse, and I support legalization of that...

 

[Blackjack200]

I love these kind of hiker threads, where he blends issues to serve a preplanned argument and pretends he's said something pithy or damning.

TH hates American progressives so much he'll blame them for what happens in Germany. Someone get the doll. Maybe he'll open up this time and the healing can begin.

He pretty much already called us Nazis, so...

 

[momeNt]

As a libertarian I completely disagree with what Germany has done here.

Why does there have to be a law positively affirming a particular act? Just repeal whatever law that made it illegal. The former makes it seem like the government is granting the right to have sex with your sibling. It isn't something the government allows me to do, it should be something I'm allowed to do because I'm a free person.

Even when progressive governments get it right they still get it wrong. So frustrating.

 

[Victorian Gray]

As a libertarian I completely disagree with what Germany has done here.

Why does there have to be a law positively affirming a particular act? Just repeal whatever law that made it illegal. The former makes it seem like the government is granting the right to have sex with your sibling. It isn't something the government allows me to do, it should be something I'm allowed to do because I'm a free person.

Even when progressive governments get it right they still get it wrong. So frustrating.

Germany hasn't *done* anything at this point in time. A group released a report with some recommendations. That's it.

 

[TheSlamma]

And the ethics council doesn't pass laws. the CDU and SPD won't pass this.

On to the next tin foil hat thread... I smell Ebola

 

[himkhan]

Their body, their choice, right?
Next will be dads having sex with the son and daughter.

Mom having sex with her son and daughter.

So how long have you been sleeping with your sister/wife now? Sinner.

 

[Texashiker]

TH hates American progressives so much he'll blame them for what happens in Germany.

Lets get something straight, I do not "hate" anyone. Hate is a terrible word.

What I dislike about progressives is their holier than thou attitude. They throw words like bigot and raciest around as if they were candy.

There is a limit to what even progressives will tolerate.

When a progressive woman comes home and catches her son and daughter having sex, chances are her tolerance will come to and end real quick.

When a progressive man who wants to be a father finds out his girlfriend or wife aborted his child and had her tubes tied, chances are his tolerance will come to an end real quick.

As I have said in numerous post, everyone is a bigot. With some we just have to dig a little deeper than others.

 

[momeNt]

Germany hasn't *done* anything at this point in time. A group released a report with some recommendations. That's it.

Well when/if they *do* something. I hope it is to repeal any active laws and not grant legality to an action. That just sits wrong with me, like we need permission to act.

 

[momeNt]

Lets get something straight, I do not "hate" anyone. Hate is a terrible word.

What I dislike about progressives is their holier than thou attitude. They throw words like bigot and raciest around as if they were candy.

There is a limit to what even progressives will tolerate.

When a progressive woman comes home and catches her son and daughter having sex, chances are her tolerance will come to and end real quick.

When a progressive man who wants to be a father finds out his girlfriend or wife aborted his child and had her tubes tied, chances are his tolerance will come to an end real quick.

As I have said in numerous post, everyone is a bigot. With some we just have to dig a little deeper than others.

You are conflating how someone reacts to personal matters with enforcing public policy.

Progressives probably want people who are okay with the above, to have the right to express that. If you aren't okay with it, then the enforcement of that is on you, not the government.

Raise your children to not have sex with eachother if you don't want it to happen, don't ask the government for help.

Find a girlfriend or wife who won't have an abortion if you don't want it to happen, don't ask the government for help.

 

[Texashiker]

You are conflating how someone reacts to personal matters with enforcing public policy.

You are confusing personal morals and values with the government.

As much as progressives enjoy proclaiming they have no morals or values, they in fact do. Even through small and microscopic, progressives do have morals and a code of conduct.

 

[momeNt]

You are confusing personal morals and values with the government.

As much as progressives enjoy proclaiming they have no morals or values, they in fact do. Even through small and microscopic, progressives do have morals and a code of conduct.

What is your point?

If a progressive would be outraged if they found their children having sex that would have no bearing on their political values being in line with legalizing incest... That same progressive would be moral and value consistent if they expressed outrage at two adult siblings being arrested for having a sexual relationship.

Do you not get that?

 

[Texashiker]

What is your point?

You are being obtuse. I have already stated my point.

All of the pro abortion people who proudly proclaim a woman has a right to do with her body as she sees fit reached their moral limit when it comes to incest.

The pro-gay people reached their moral limit.

When it comes to your body your choice, yes, there is a limit to what society will allow.

 

[MixMasterTang]

How many off the wall threads about random subjects are you going to post to try and prove that liberals are hypocrites? And least find some new material & subject matter to troll with.

In all of the effort you've put into posts do you honestly think you have actually swayed ANYONES opinion on abortion laws?

 

[z1ggy]

My signature still holds true! Wooooo.

It's my body damnit!! If I wanna go out, have sex with hookers, tie them up in my basement while I flog them daily for my own enjoyment, why should the government stop me!!!?

 

[Victorian Gray]

You are confusing personal morals and values with the government.

As much as progressives enjoy proclaiming they have no morals or values, they in fact do. Even through small and microscopic, progressives do have morals and a code of conduct.

Of course you have many documented examples of this occurring and you will provide us with this proof. Yes?

 

[Victorian Gray]

You are being obtuse. I have already stated my point.

All of the pro abortion people who proudly proclaim a woman has a right to do with her body as she sees fit reached their moral limit when it comes to incest.

The pro-gay people reached their moral limit.

When it comes to your body your choice, yes, there is a limit to what society will allow.

Again, you have documented examples of pro choice activists/supporters arguing against incest while acting in the role of pro choice activists/supporters? You have documented evidence of pro gay supporters acting in the role of pro gay supporters while arguing against incest?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You are being obtuse. I have already stated my point.

All of the pro abortion people who proudly proclaim a woman has a right to do with her body as she sees fit reached their moral limit when it comes to incest.

The pro-gay people reached their moral limit.

When it comes to your body your choice, yes, there is a limit to what society will allow.

You're conflating issues that are unrelated, which seems to be a common problem with you, but even worse, you're completely misrepresenting the arguments of your so called "liberal pro-abortion pro-gay people." It is possible to believe that something should be legal while simultaneously having no desire to personally engage in the behavior. Let me break it down for you:

I believe gay marriage should be legal despite having no interest in having sex with men or wanting to marry someone of my gender.

I believe abortion should be legal despite having personal reservations about someone I'm sexually involved with (which would just be my wife at this point) potentially seeking one (I would support her choice, but I would certainly offer my own opinions on the matter which are more complex than we need to get into here).

I believe grown adults should be legally allowed to have sex with their relatives despite having no personal interest in fucking my brother.

I believe drugs should be legalized despite having no interest in getting high.

I believe that we shouldn't attempt to legislate morality, and that as long as an individual's behavior or actions aren't legitimately harming a non-consenting party, we should leave them be with whatever fucked up shit they want to do no matter how distasteful I might personally find it.

 

[Pulsar]

You are being obtuse. I have already stated my point.

All of the pro abortion people who proudly proclaim a woman has a right to do with her body as she sees fit reached their moral limit when it comes to incest.

The pro-gay people reached their moral limit.

When it comes to your body your choice, yes, there is a limit to what society will allow.

There is a limit to what people who are buried in their own deep-seated morality issues allow.

Rational folks understand, however, that the only fundamental problem with siblings having sex is the drastically increased potential of birth defects. That in itself is why it became a social taboo, and if that risk factor is removed, there is no fundamental problem with siblings having sex.

A parent having sex with a child is another matter entirely: that goes back to an authority figure potentially imposing their will on someone who is emotionally and mentally not mature enough to stop it. In addition, authority figures can essentially blackmail people into this sort of thing - that's why the military and most companies don't allow it between senior and junior employees.

So you're mixing arguments and different types of problems. AS usual, you can't seperate our emotional reaction and your deep seated beliefs from rational thinking.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Rational folks understand, however, that the only fundamental problem with siblings having sex is the drastically increased potential of birth defects. That in itself is why it became a social taboo, and if that risk factor is removed, there is no fundamental problem with siblings having sex.

Even this is not even supported by the science. For first cousins with no major genetic abnormality it only increases the chance of genetic abnormality by about 1.5%, or about the same amount as one of the parents being over the age of 35.

If you marry someone from the same town you grew up in, your odds of having a child with a genetic abnormality increases by 0.8%.

So, if you met your wife in your home town and waited until your mid 30's to have children, the odds your of your children having birth defects is greater then if you married your first cousin and popped out a few incest babies at the age of 18.

 

[Texashiker]

There is a limit to what people who are buried in their own deep-seated morality issues allow.

Everyone has a sense of morals and values.

 

[momeNt]

Even this is not even supported by the science. For first cousins with no major genetic abnormality it only increases the chance of genetic abnormality by about 1.5%, or about the same amount as one of the parents being over the age of 35.

If you marry someone from the same town you grew up in, your odds of having a child with a genetic abnormality increases by 0.8%.

So, if you met your wife in your home town and waited until your mid 30's to have children, the odds your of your children having birth defects is greater then if you married your first cousin and popped out a few incest babies at the age of 18.

When it becomes generational you have issues. Look at the amount of crohns disease in Ashkenazi jews, lots of cousin marriages to preserve wealth.

 

[WHAMPOM]

My signature still holds true! Wooooo.

It's my body damnit!! If I wanna go out, have sex with hookers, tie them up in my basement while I flog them daily for my own enjoyment, why should the government stop me!!!?

Don't you mean hire some hookers to tie you up in your basement and flog you daily for your extreme enjoyment? Why the government should stop you, I have no idea.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Everyone has a sense of morals and values.

Tell that to Adam and Eve's children, Biblical proof you are the child of incest, right?

 

[SlowSpyder]

When two gays have sex, there are no consequences. When brother and sister are popping out inbred children, there are consequences in the way of children being born with birth defects. If you can't understand this, then you're probably not capable of having any sort of logical discussion about it. I couldn't care less if siblings were getting it on, it isn't me and isn't something I'd consider for myself. Cousins marrying one another was fairly normal until not very long ago. You keep trying to justify your hatred, but all it does is make you look foolish.

 

[DigDog]

let them bonk to their heart's content

When brother and sister are popping out inbred children, there are consequences in the way of children being born with birth defects.

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and we can't have any of that. we must mantain ze purity of ze aryan race!!

Gattacanews: genetic tests for newlyweds! Say no to inperfect children!