German disbelief over 9/11

[burnedout]

CNN

"BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- One-third of Germans under age 30 believe the U.S. government may have sponsored the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, according to a poll. And about 20 percent of Germans in all age groups hold this view, according to a survey of 1,000 people conducted for the weekly Die Zeit."

Verdamte Amerikaner!

 

[Nighthawk168]

Any reasons they believe this would be appreciated

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Nighthawk168
Any reasons they believe this would be appreciated

The same thing happened to them once.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

First off, wasn't there some kooky book written by a Frenchman that unveiled the so-called conspiracy behind it? I'll bet that had something to do with it. I'd like to read it for a good laugh.

 

[phillyTIM]

I'm glad to hear things such as this being reported in the American media, because I think it has a lot of merit...and I honestly think that the Bushevik Regime is not beneath doing this, not at all beneath it.

Honestly it makes sense for them, and the need for a "Pearl Harbor type event" has been hyped about since 1996 in the Project for a New American Century by the Republicans and many current members of the Bushevik Regime.

It makes absolutley no possible sense how the Pentagon could have gotten hit, the HEART of the American Military.

It makes absolutely no possible sense how those airliners could have been so far off course, and zig-zagging all over the place, without being detected (like 600 miles off course) before it was too late.

It's gonna be damn tough to prove the burden on the Busheviks, but I consider that the REAL responsibility lies with the Air Traffic Controllers for not doing their basic damned job, and for the Airport security for being such slackers. That's where the responsibility REALLY lies,,,,that is, if they weren't being paid-off to "overlook" some things.

Regardless, the heart of the problem lies with America itself, and people not doing their jobs. Attempts are made all the time here and other countries, yet fail, because people do their jobs and keep their eyes open and order in check.

But it's just pretty darn convenient that 9/11 happened at a time when Bush had the lowest approval rating ever, needed to legitimize his Presidency, didn't know how to handle the economy, had a cabinet FULL of old warhawks, line his private industry buddie's pockets with money by controlling some foreign oil fields and rebuilding contracts, and has been consistantly looking for a reason to avenge his daddy by attacking Iraq/Husseins. Sounds like one hell of a lot to gain, doesn't it????????!

Pretty suspicious, many of people ask themselves, as quite a large percentage of Germans alone contemplate this.

 

[Nitemare]

I wonder if they believe in the Holocaust?

 

[Czar]

its the same everywhere, the public doesnt exactly care what goes around in the world

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: Czar
its the same everywhere, the public doesnt exactly care what goes around in the world

or their own country, which is why the US in in the midst of an economic, political and social meltdown right now.

 

[chrisms]

The case for 9/11 for being U.S.-sponsored, or at least U.S.-allowed, is fairly strong. Without going into details, the failure of fighter pilot escorts to be called, hijackers being in the same small town a few days earlier as Bush was on 9/11, Bush's obvious lies that he was told in the classroom when evidence shows he was told (or should have been told) in the motorcade, Air Force One going up without escorts, and how it all perfectly fits in with the New American Century's plans.

Now all of these things don't directly point to the conspiracy theories, but if you read the whole story it gets pretty interesting. I can see how a country which hates the U.S. could believe these theories.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I wonder if they believe in the Holocaust?

LOL

 

[MonstaThrilla]

While I don't think there really was a "conspiracy" by the Bushies to let 9/11 happen, I do believe that the Administration, the intelligence community, and the military ARE guilty of gross negligence. The plane that hit the Pentagon did so almost a full hour after the first plane hit the first Twin Tower.

Furthermore, its military policy that the INSTANT word goes out that a plane has been hijacked, fighters get scrambled into the air. There's no "decision" necessary by anyone, it should be automatic. The four planes were hijacked between 7:45 and 8:10 am. By 8:15, it should have been apparent to the flight controllers that 4 jets had been hijacked, an unprecedented event. Two planes have deviated from their paths to California and toward New York City. Another two turn around fully and make a beeline towards Washington. They are all on radar until they reach their demise. For the plane to be able to crash into the Pentagon which was only a few miles from Andrews Air Force Base is almost unthinkable. There were alot of unbelievable failures made that morning, but the attacks occuring were pretty unbelievable as well.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

I think they're pissed off at the American media's attempts to portray Germany as the bad guys of WW II.

 

[Vadatajs]

I'm in germany right now, and all of the germans I've talked to have only expressed their disagreement with how we've handled 9/11, none hold us responsible. Plus 1/3 is a definite minority.

 

[Crimson]

Wow.. this thread reminds me why I rarely spend time at Anandtech anymore.. one day you people will grow up.

Yeah, lets think about this.. Bush could orchestrate the murder of 3000 people, but not ONE single person in his administration is turning on him.. yeah.. ok.. Its pretty easy to get 15 hijackers to fly 3 planes into 3 different buildings as President.. NOBODY would notice him talking to terrorists on the phone or in person.

The crackpots are out in force..

 

[Crimson]

The hatred by the Bush haters never ceases to amaze me.. even the Republicans didn't accuse Clinton of mass murder. But its done here on a daily basis.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: Czar
its the same everywhere, the public doesnt exactly care what goes around in the world

or their own country, which is why the US in in the midst of an economic, political and social meltdown right now.

Dude - you need to lay off the ...</me remembers to not use slurs>

You realy ought to take a look around, the sky isn't falling. I wonder how a poll about WW2 would turn out in Germany - they don't teach much of that over there. A german exchange student lived with us for a year and she said that people knew but it wasn't "taught" as history because of the bitterness that still exists. I don't think that their resentment of governments as powerful as ours is out of line though because of what theirs did to them.

You and chrisms need to quit reading things like this -*joke alert*

CkG

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nighthawk168
Any reasons they believe this would be appreciated

Chrisms said it, but in a little more detail: Before WW2, the Nazi Party started the Reichstag(sp/place) (German Parliament) on fire and blamed it on someone(?). The outrage from the German public allowed the Nazi party to take action against those they blamed it on.

Perhaps someone who knows the details can come in and fill the blanks for me.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I wonder if they believe in the Holocaust?

PhillyTIM believes Bush is the second coming of the Holocaust.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
While I don't think there really was a "conspiracy" by the Bushies to let 9/11 happen, I do believe that the Administration, the intelligence community, and the military ARE guilty of gross negligence. The plane that hit the Pentagon did so almost a full hour after the first plane hit the first Twin Tower.

Furthermore, its military policy that the INSTANT word goes out that a plane has been hijacked, fighters get scrambled into the air. There's no "decision" necessary by anyone, it should be automatic. The four planes were hijacked between 7:45 and 8:10 am. By 8:15, it should have been apparent to the flight controllers that 4 jets had been hijacked, an unprecedented event. Two planes have deviated from their paths to California and toward New York City. Another two turn around fully and make a beeline towards Washington. They are all on radar until they reach their demise. For the plane to be able to crash into the Pentagon which was only a few miles from Andrews Air Force Base is almost unthinkable. There were alot of unbelievable failures made that morning, but the attacks occuring were pretty unbelievable as well.

I'm not one to defend this administration but:

Luis Freed (sp), director for many years leading up to 911, was anti- computer and historically the FBI was already very dated computer wise and anit-technology prefering, like all government workers, to hire more of thier freinds and growing the already sluggish incompitent beaurocracy. This lead to the failures of 911. Without datadases to sift houndreds of thousands of leads and government complacentcy you get plenty of mistakes and oversights. Muller the new director is taking a much high tech role and has been given more authority to promote based on merit not time. In any huge beaurocracy like the FBI this will take time and lots of it but failers are inevitable. All we can do is reduce thier chances.


BTW the military has historicaly been prevented from engaging in domestic law enforcement. This policy you wish would have happend did'nt occur till after the attacks.

 

[mosco]

Originally posted by: Crimson
The hatred by the Bush haters never ceases to amaze me.. even the Republicans didn't accuse Clinton of mass murder. But its done here on a daily basis.

With the exemption of PhillyTM, i don't think anyone else was actually accusing bush of doing this, just stating why people might do this. I don't think Bush would actually do this and i hope you don't take the word's of Philly and apply it too all liberals.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Crimson
The hatred by the Bush haters never ceases to amaze me.. even the Republicans didn't accuse Clinton of mass murder. But its done here on a daily basis.

Errr... dont believe any Germans are surfing the Anandtech forums on a daily basis. Tomshardware maybe?

Edit: As for Clinton, I don't know. I've seen a few people blame 9/11 on Clinton. Most just accuse Clinton of everything but mass murder .

 

[Corn]

Honestly it makes sense for them, and the need for a "Pearl Harbor type event" has been hyped about since 1996 in the Project for a New American Century by the Republicans and many current members of the Bushevik Regime.

Once again PhillyTim lies through his teeth by misrepresenting the "pearl harbor" refrence in the PNAC. The context of that quote has nothing to do with the implication given by PhillyTim and the other frothing at the mouth Bush hating liars.

Those who are diligent can read all about it here.

There one will find that this refrence is not nearly as sinister as those proven liars like PhillyTim would have you believe--that we "need a new pearl harbor" to justify taking over the world. Quite simply, the context for that quote revolves around the slashing of the military budget that begun under GHW Bush - thus greatly reducing the number 1 reason for our military superiority--research and development of advanced weapons.

 

[phillyTIM]

Spin it however you'd like, Corn; just like you put your spin on everything else.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Spin it however you'd like, Corn; just like you put your spin on everything else.

Well if it's so much spin, why don't you post the pertinent part of the document and prove him wrong. Or more appropriately back up what you have posted. You have read the document, right. You do know where to find it, don't you?

House Rules:
2. Support your positions with facts and good links.

 

[Corn]

Spin it however you'd like, Corn; just like you put your spin on everything else.

It's right there in my link, starting on page 62 from the original PNAC document--right there in black and white, no spin necessary. I'm betting that you didn't even read it and are simply believing anything that someone says that fits your disturbed hatred of Bush.