Gerard Depardieu becomes a Russian citizen.

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  1. werepossum

    werepossum Lifer

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    Well said.

    Ooh, that ownage is gonna leave a mark!

    When the hell did Denmark go insane? A list of 3,000 approved names for your male child? WTF? How did a nation celebrating the American Independence Day devolve into a nation with Name Police?

    Excellent points all.
     
  2. techs

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1310789--gerard-depardieu-you-had-it-good-in-france

    Gérard Depardieu, you had it good in France

    Now we know. Patriotism isn’t the last refuge of a scoundrel, Russia is.

    The French actor Gérard Depardieu has thrown a tantrum, accepted Vladimir Putin’s passport offer and left France for good.

    Imagine that. Imagine abandoning the country that took you from poverty to wealth and fame — not for a great cause, or the love of a woman with the eyes of Charlotte Rampling and the noble bearing of Aung San Suu Kyi — in a snit over an increase in your marginal tax rate.

    And for Russia, no less. It beggars belief.

    What about Russia appeals to Depardieu? It is “a great democracy,” Depardieu said.

    “I love your country, Russia,” he wrote in an open letter to a nation preoccupied with a new century of degradation, a nation that might as well rename itself Collapsica. “I love its people, its history, its writers. I love your culture, your intelligence.”

    Let’s get started. Russia’s history only rivals China’s for millions of citizens murdered. Its great writers are long dead, its culture stalled, its democracy a laughingstock.


    Depardieu recently urinated on the carpet on an Air France flight in front of passengers. “Je veux pisser,” he was heard to say during takeoff. He blamed prostate problems. His companion said he gave the actor one of those mini-Evian bottles to pee in, but it was not up to the task.



    What else can be said when it was put so well above?
    Maybe that the time might come when Putin needs money and will just take all of Depardieu's and throw him in jail. Putin has done it before, many times. I fell sorry for his kids who will probably never want to live in Russian but can't walk down the street in France anymore.
     
  3. ShintaiDK

    ShintaiDK Lifer

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    Comes from someone in a country with an open container law? If I was you I would just stay very quiet.
     
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  4. ShintaiDK

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    I would say your "licens" story is BS. Specially since its an offence in the danish law and the police would be called and next thing you go to court, unless you pay the fine from the police

    The IRS part is also quite polished compared to the truth:
    http://www.skat.dk/SKAT.aspx?oId=2049638

    For those not reading danish or using a translator. Then the IRS can only go into the yard (not the house) and only if there is visible outside construction. Simply to check if they cheat in tax with unreported employment.

    If the grass is greener....then you got the option of migrating. You can always start to enjoy wiretapping without a warrant for example.
     
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    lol I had to look up "open container law". Dystopian.

    The name thingy is exagerated but some government control is necessary because there are kids who are bullied because their parents are retards.
    99% of people got normal names anyway so it's not even a problem, it's a problem only for people who want to be original and create horrible fake names.

    The state media financing is a hairy issue here too, it's called BILLAG. That's the company that retrieves the 272 $/year per housing unit and company. To avoid paying it, the car must not be yours and you must not have internet connection. There are people who try to fight it.
    Honestly I think it's stupid, just finance television through the income taxes and stop the endless discussions.
    The state media cannot finance itself in this country and it's necessary for cohesion too so it's not like there's another way.

    I agree that overly strict gun laws are stupid.
     
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  6. Broheim

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    the police will not be called. they will not drag you to court. The only way (D)DR can get you to pay licens is if you sign a peice of paper saying that you own a device that require you to pay licens.

    is anything I said about the new law wrong? today there are 235 different laws and rules that allow the authorities to completely disregard the sanctity of the home without a warrant. The whole reason for the law is to make it cheaper for SKAT to go after unreported employment, your rights are being eroded for the sake of cutting down on red tape. That is a pretty fucking slippery slope that can eventually lead to the dilemma of "fair trials are expensive, bullets are cheap". I for one will not stand idlely by as my rights are taken away, and should the government one day go completely overboard then I am ready to fight violently and die for my rights. I'd rather be a miserable free man than a content slave!

    the are many pros to living in Denmark but there are also many cons, thus far the pros have outweighed the cons but should that change then I will either fight for my rights or get the hell out of that future commie hellhole depending on the circumstances. Nowhere does it say you have to put up with a certain amount of bullshit from the government, and when your rights are at stake then even the smallest infringemnt is a cause for outrage.
     
  7. ShintaiDK

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    "Licens" is covered by law, the first one dating back to 1925.
    The current law is here:
    https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms/R0710.aspx?id=137077

    Its simply a formality that its DR that sends the bills out. It could just as well be SKAT(As the swiss guy also suggests) or someone else. The money also goes to private TV and radio companies besides DR.

    And yes, it is a case for the police and court if you refuse to pay:
    https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms/R0710.aspx?id=137077#K5

    So dont try and come here and play some kind of victim. When its you who are actually crossing the law that is democraticly agreed on.

    You want freedom on the expense of other people. What a classic.
     
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    Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch, freedom is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
     
  9. Broheim

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    the police cannot do anything even if they bothered to, they would need a warrant, something a judge will not give them just because DR says they think I have a TV. They could drag me to court but they wont, it will cost them much more to pursue litigation against people that doesn't pay licens than they could ever hope to rob from those people (and on a personal note, hiring a lawyer would not cost me anything because my dad is one).

    IT IS OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT FREE SHIT AT THE EXPENSE OF ME, they take away my freedom to choose whether or not I want to pay for a shitty tv channel that produce nothing that I am interested in. i don't use DR's services and I do not intend on doing so. If they cannot survive in a free market then that means they don't deserve to survive at all. Civil disobedience is a vital tool for fighting oppressive bullshit, or do you think Rosa Parks should have stayed in the back of the bus and shut her ass up?

    how the * would my freedom not to pay for shit I don't use cost anybody anything, unless you mean it's my civic duty to subsidize shit for everybody else, explain to me why the * that is all of the sudden fair? * this whole notion of solidarity! "it's selfish to want to keep your own hard earned money but it is solidarity to want to take somebody else's money for your own gain".
     
  10. Broheim

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    not that I don't think that the open container law is dumb "no tolerance"-like bullshit, but there is a very distinct difference.

    driving is a privilege, naming your child goes way beyond a right.
     
  11. Olikan

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    your democracy just plain sucks then

    a lamb only needs to vote to reach freedom, nothing more
     
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    what the deal?
    you are paying radio\internet\tv licens indiretcly anyway :p
     
  13. ShintaiDK

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    You just keep getting it wrong.

    And as always, you confuse your egoism with freedom.

    Please dont tell him. He already cant handle the information avaliable to him.
     
  14. lotus503

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    Here is the thing, you get to vote for your representation, that representation gets to vote on law, spending etc. You do not get to say what are where your tax dollars are spent outside of you vote.

    The essence of your argument is that takes your freedom away.

    So your simply saying our existing system of government robs your freedom. So the only thing that would restore that freedom is a system of government where you individually get to choose what where and how your tax dollars are spent.
     
  15. Broheim

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    “People who pride themselves on their "complexity" and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”
    ― Thomas Sowell
     
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    I'm Belgian, we are having a large influx of wealthy French in the last months. Bernard Arnault (worth $41 billion) also applied for Belgian nationality. Taxes on labour here are very high but taxes on capital are very low. Only recently the govt introduced some kind of capital gains tax, there is no tax on wealth itself and if you know your way you taxable income will be very low because of the exceptions and constructions that are possible.
     
  17. werepossum

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    :D So you have no problem being property without even the right to name your own children as long as you can be drunken property. Gotcha.

    Exactly. An armed man is a citizen; a disarmed man is a subject. Lots of people prefer being subjects because they are guaranteed free stuff.
     
  18. Broheim

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    nope, the only system where I would be truly free is one where I wouldn't have to pay taxes... but that isn't going to happen so instead I will fight stupid bullshit like this.
     
  19. ShintaiDK

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    Just move to some solitude outside human civilization. And you got your wish. Then you can also enjoy your "freedom".
     
  20. Broheim

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    my utopian society would a be place where the government's only function is to protect the rights of the people and is funded solely by those who infringe on other people's rights as part of their punishment, they would pay an amount equal to the cost of protecting society against their crime, ensuring that government's size would be exactly proportionate to the necessity of it's existance.

    why is that such a bad vision?
     
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    I'm of two minds here.

    One is that he is a bit of a hypocrite. As stated his early success was via state funded movies. This is common outside of the US as most countries don't have the size for a private movie industry. So you can definitely argue he was happy to use tax dollars back them to drive his success and he should be giving back.

    On the flip side....85% is freaking ridiculous and just flat out robbery. There needs to be a balance and 85% is not that.
     
  22. ShintaiDK

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    Its 75% and its only applied on what you earn over 1 million euro. (1.3 million $)
     
  23. Olikan

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    not much diferent than aristocracy,
    state will punish basicly only the poor people, without actually give them an oportunity to grow
     
  24. Broheim

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    why? paying your cost to society would not be the punishment but simply how the system would be funded, you'd still have to go to jail or whatever. If you cannot afford to pay the cost of your crime then that would mean hard labour, if you are dead and have no assets then it would be organ harvesting time/reclaiming whatever you have to cover the cost... rich or poor would not matter.
     
  25. soulcougher73

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    You guys need to get your talking points sorted out. First you say you cant tax the rich enough to support the welfare state and now without them who is going to pay for the welfare state? o_O