Georgia governor prays for rain

[alien42]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Homerboy
But you forget ANYTHING remotely religious posted in ATOT will get flamed to no end. Heaven/State forbid people have differing views of the world.

I think there is a difference between a governor going to church and praying for rain. And a governor joining lawmakers and ministers on the steps of the state Capitol to pray for rain.

But that is just me.

Unless you live in Georgia and voted for its governor, why should it make any difference to you at all? I bet of all the people who posted here in this thread there might be MAYBE 2 who live in Georgia and of them, MAYBE 1 of them voted. But I bet the actual numbers are more like 0 and 0.

i live in GA and voted
sonny is a douchebag

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Why haven't they diverted some of the Mississippi water through some channel built in advance to prevent such an occurrence? You build the channel and a big lock, open the lock only when the water is needed. Surely that would have been an appetizing pork project for the local politicians.

The Mississippi River is over 400 miles away from Georgia - the Tennessee River is much closer (about 5 miles from the NW border), but the state of GA doesn't have access to it due to a mapping error back in the 1820s.

 

[michaelsslave]

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Why haven't they diverted some of the Mississippi water through some channel built in advance to prevent such an occurrence? You build the channel and a big lock, open the lock only when the water is needed. Surely that would have been an appetizing pork project for the local politicians.

The Mississippi River is over 400 miles away from Georgia - the Tennessee River is much closer (about 5 miles from the NW border), but the state of GA doesn't have access to it due to a mapping error back in the 1820s.

i dont think that would be a mapping error. the Tennessee river should be in Tennessee territoty

 

[sdifox]

What is wrong with just having your favorite tele-evangelist pray for you? Georgia just has to send in a big cheque for the rosaries no?

 

[michaelsslave]

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is wrong with just having your favorite tele-evangelist pray for you? Georgia just has to send in a big cheque for the rosaries no?

the fact that when it finally does rain everyone will assume god did it and it will be all over the news causing massive annoyance

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope that someday the USA becomes a real secular society.

It is. This praying for rain bit is just a symbolic gesture having nothing to do with any god. People like to do something to make themselves feel empowered even when there's really nothing that can be done.

I have a feeling the governor and Georgia voters don't see it as symbolic. They believe in the power of prayer, and to them a public official praying in his official capacity is no more out of place than it would be to a theocratic nation.

 

[Demo24]

we could have used a hurricane or tropical storm coming through, but this year it didn't really happen. Should be interesting to see what happens if the water actually does run out. Not that I want it to, as that puts me in a bad spot.


Still praying to god to end the drought isn't going to help much...unless god answers with the estimated 2 years worth of rain needed to replenish.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: sao123
Dont trust the evil christians, becasue we all know they arent praying for it to rain, they are praying for it to rain sulfur & brimstone...

:roll:

ATOT is the world leader in manufacturing of anti-christian bigotry related people & products.

No worse than all the "evil atheist" comments I get from living in the bible belt. You'd think I eat kittens and live fetuses for breakfast when I say I'm an atheist.

wait, you don't? I thought all of us did!? Or, did they tell me that and I simply followed suit? Ah crap.

 

[GTaudiophile]

My dad was just there.

He estimated about 800 people praying and about 20 protesters.

Edit: He said it was a very moving, spiritual event.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is wrong with just having your favorite tele-evangelist pray for you? Georgia just has to send in a big cheque for the rosaries no?

the fact that when it finally does rain everyone will assume god did it and it will be all over the news causing massive annoyance

And how is that any worse than what they are doing right now?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: DEMO24
we could have used a hurricane or tropical storm coming through, but this year it didn't really happen. Should be interesting to see what happens if the water actually does run out. Not that I want it to, as that puts me in a bad spot.


Still praying to god to end the drought isn't going to help much...unless god answers with the estimated 2 years worth of rain needed to replenish.

Even if there's no rain, "God words in mysterious ways"

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope that someday the USA becomes a real secular society.

It is. This praying for rain bit is just a symbolic gesture having nothing to do with any god. People like to do something to make themselves feel empowered even when there's really nothing that can be done.

I have a feeling the governor and Georgia voters don't see it as symbolic. They believe in the power of prayer, and to them a public official praying in his official capacity is no more out of place than it would be to a theocratic nation.

Generalize much?

I bet you're unaware that the US Congress has an appointed chaplain who holds an opening prayer every single day that Congress is in session.

Here is today's: Text

I don't think you understand what Madison was trying to say. To explain it to you would require that I educate you on the history of the intertwining relationships between traditions, myths, the development of writing, the law, and the implementation of tyranny. Suffice to say that, in Madison's day, the religious authority structure was the law. The king ruled by the so-called Divine Right. Such a scenario, thankfully, no longer exists today, religion's threat to civil rights has been greatly reduced, and religion has for the most part (except for some vocal radicals) been reduced to its original historical role of community and tradition. Today, that same threat of tyranny that once came from religion now comes from different sources, mostly various special interests falsely representing themselves as democratic.
Consider: it was religious interests that originally foisted the drug prohibition on America. And yet, today's drug warriors are no longer the religions. What happened? The moral busybodies are no longer contented with just trying to save our souls, they want to save our entire lives.

 

[Throckmorton]

Vic, I know we are not a theocracy or a divine monarchy that the Founding Fathers feared, but that isn't what I'm talking about here. To me the problem is the pervasiveness or even subversiveness of religion in America. Can you imagine an atheist being elected president? No you can't, because most Americans would not vote for an atheist. The fact that this governor can pray to the rain god or whatever for the publicity is what bothers me. That kind of thing would never work in France for example, and he'd be more likely to be ridiculed for it (I think). George Bush told us that God spoke to him, and many Americans believed him, and the rest of us accepted it as political nonsense, while the rest of the West's jaws dropped in amazement.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Vic, I know we are not a theocracy or a divine monarchy that the Founding Fathers feared, but that isn't what I'm talking about here. To me the problem is the pervasiveness or even subversiveness of religion in America. Can you imagine an atheist being elected president? No you can't, because most Americans would not vote for an atheist. The fact that this governor can pray to the rain god or whatever for the publicity is what bothers me. That kind of thing would never work in France for example, and he'd be more likely to be ridiculed for it (I think). George Bush told us that God spoke to him, and many Americans believed him, and the rest of us accepted it as political nonsense, while the rest of the West's jaws dropped in amazement.

An atheist wouldn't elected president of America because atheism doesn't represent the views of Americans. That's democracy there, not religion per se.
The president of France is a Roman Catholic.

And did you miss what I said last in my previous post? Religion, while always a concern to liberties, is not the threat to it that it once was. The fear of hell is mostly outdated as a means of control. New means of control, far more subtle and much greater threats to civil liberties, now exist that are far more serious.

And dude... we are laughing at the governor of Georgia and we did laugh at Bush. And call me a cynic (or just your usual agnostic and skeptic), but I laugh that same way at people who fight for atheism.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope that someday the USA becomes a real secular society.

It is. This praying for rain bit is just a symbolic gesture having nothing to do with any god. People like to do something to make themselves feel empowered even when there's really nothing that can be done.

I have a feeling the governor and Georgia voters don't see it as symbolic. They believe in the power of prayer, and to them a public official praying in his official capacity is no more out of place than it would be to a theocratic nation.

Generalize much?

I bet you're unaware that the US Congress has an appointed chaplain who holds an opening prayer every single day that Congress is in session.

Here is today's: Text

I don't think you understand what Madison was trying to say. To explain it to you would require that I educate you on the history of the intertwining relationships between traditions, myths, the development of writing, the law, and the implementation of tyranny. Suffice to say that, in Madison's day, the religious authority structure was the law. The king ruled by the so-called Divine Right. Such a scenario, thankfully, no longer exists today, religion's threat to civil rights has been greatly reduced, and religion has for the most part (except for some vocal radicals) been reduced to its original historical role of community and tradition. Today, that same threat of tyranny that once came from religion now comes from different sources, mostly various special interests falsely representing themselves as democratic.
Consider: it was religious interests that originally foisted the drug prohibition on America. And yet, today's drug warriors are no longer the religions. What happened? The moral busybodies are no longer contented with just trying to save our souls, they want to save our entire lives.

You need to hear what the governor said during the prayer, it's obvious he's dead serious about asking "god" for help, and everyone is going with it.

"I brought my umbrella because I believed it was gonna start pouring right there!" That's one woman. One out of many there who firmly believed this was going to help.

How is this useful? How does this help? How in the hell does this do anything but satisfy the people still stuck on the giant nipple that is religion? The act of pissing into the wind is about as useful, except at least that is funny. This isn't even funny, it's just sad.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Wow, gotta love the haters. Absolutely nothing wrong with praying for rain.

Really. What's it going to hurt.

ZOMG IT WORKED!!!!!

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope that someday the USA becomes a real secular society.

It is. This praying for rain bit is just a symbolic gesture having nothing to do with any god. People like to do something to make themselves feel empowered even when there's really nothing that can be done.

I have a feeling the governor and Georgia voters don't see it as symbolic. They believe in the power of prayer, and to them a public official praying in his official capacity is no more out of place than it would be to a theocratic nation.

Generalize much?

I bet you're unaware that the US Congress has an appointed chaplain who holds an opening prayer every single day that Congress is in session.

Here is today's: Text

I don't think you understand what Madison was trying to say. To explain it to you would require that I educate you on the history of the intertwining relationships between traditions, myths, the development of writing, the law, and the implementation of tyranny. Suffice to say that, in Madison's day, the religious authority structure was the law. The king ruled by the so-called Divine Right. Such a scenario, thankfully, no longer exists today, religion's threat to civil rights has been greatly reduced, and religion has for the most part (except for some vocal radicals) been reduced to its original historical role of community and tradition. Today, that same threat of tyranny that once came from religion now comes from different sources, mostly various special interests falsely representing themselves as democratic.
Consider: it was religious interests that originally foisted the drug prohibition on America. And yet, today's drug warriors are no longer the religions. What happened? The moral busybodies are no longer contented with just trying to save our souls, they want to save our entire lives.

This is because all of the fundamentals of our government were formed from Christians. All of the US's founding fathers were Christian, and the structure of government is formed around that. We have "In God We Trust" on our currency, and everything from the Ten Commandments to Christmas is celebrated and displayed in our government. The separation of church and state was put in place so government could not tell you what religion you can practice (which was the reason the Pilgrims came to America in the first place). These practices have worked well for 200 years, but in the last quarter century everyone has become hypersensitive to religion in government and it's causing unnecessary controversy, while taking up resources that could be used elsewhere.

The counter to my last statement is going to be "THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING USEFUL INSTEAD OF PRAYING!", but my reply to that is they spent a few minutes praying, and now we're spending a week complaining about it.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope that someday the USA becomes a real secular society.

It is. This praying for rain bit is just a symbolic gesture having nothing to do with any god. People like to do something to make themselves feel empowered even when there's really nothing that can be done.

I have a feeling the governor and Georgia voters don't see it as symbolic. They believe in the power of prayer, and to them a public official praying in his official capacity is no more out of place than it would be to a theocratic nation.

Generalize much?

I bet you're unaware that the US Congress has an appointed chaplain who holds an opening prayer every single day that Congress is in session.

Here is today's: Text

I don't think you understand what Madison was trying to say. To explain it to you would require that I educate you on the history of the intertwining relationships between traditions, myths, the development of writing, the law, and the implementation of tyranny. Suffice to say that, in Madison's day, the religious authority structure was the law. The king ruled by the so-called Divine Right. Such a scenario, thankfully, no longer exists today, religion's threat to civil rights has been greatly reduced, and religion has for the most part (except for some vocal radicals) been reduced to its original historical role of community and tradition. Today, that same threat of tyranny that once came from religion now comes from different sources, mostly various special interests falsely representing themselves as democratic.
Consider: it was religious interests that originally foisted the drug prohibition on America. And yet, today's drug warriors are no longer the religions. What happened? The moral busybodies are no longer contented with just trying to save our souls, they want to save our entire lives.

This is because all of the fundamentals of our government were formed from Christians. All of the US's founding fathers were Christian, and the structure of government is formed around that. We have "In God We Trust" on our currency, and everything from the Ten Commandments to Christmas is celebrated and displayed in our government. The separation of church and state was put in place so government could not tell you what religion you can practice (which was the reason the Pilgrims came to America in the first place). These practices have worked well for 200 years, but in the last quarter century everyone has become hypersensitive to religion in government and it's causing unnecessary controversy, while taking up resources that could be used elsewhere.

The counter to my last statement is going to be "THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING USEFUL INSTEAD OF PRAYING!", but my reply to that is they spent a few minutes praying, and now we're spending a week complaining about it.

Your last sentence makes a lot of sense.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
This is because all of the fundamentals of our government were formed from Christians. All of the US's founding fathers were Christian, and the structure of government is formed around that. We have "In God We Trust" on our currency, and everything from the Ten Commandments to Christmas is celebrated and displayed in our government. The separation of church and state was put in place so government could not tell you what religion you can practice (which was the reason the Pilgrims came to America in the first place). These practices have worked well for 200 years, but in the last quarter century everyone has become hypersensitive to religion in government and it's causing unnecessary controversy, while taking up resources that could be used elsewhere.

The counter to my last statement is going to be "THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING USEFUL INSTEAD OF PRAYING!", but my reply to that is they spent a few minutes praying, and now we're spending a week complaining about it.

Pardon me, but there is nothing historically accurate about your post here.
Many of the founding fathers were not Christians, but deists and atheists.
"In God We Trust" is on our currency because Lincoln put it there.
The Puritans outlawed the celebration of Christmas (because it was a Catholic holiday) in their colonies in America, and it is unlikely that the founding fathers ever celebrated it as the custom was out of favor among most Protestant nations during the 1600 and 1700's.
The Pilgrims did NOT come to America seeking religious freedom. The Calvinist Puritans were violent religious extremists who got themselves kicked out England because of their habit of burning down Anglican churches. Their sect was, however, briefly successful in its political goals some 30 years later when one of their own, Oliver Cromwell, overthrew the British crown and ruled as a brutal religious dictator for nearly 5 years.
And Columbus knew the earth was round before he set sail too, and even had a map, he just didn't know that America stood between Europe and China.

Or should I have turned on my sarcasm meter? 😛

Heh. Anyway, I agree with your last sentence. It's kind of my whole feeling on this incident. Stupid media stunts should be ignored. Otherwise, there's no such thing as bad publicity except for one's own obituary.

 

[KK]

looks like north ga is getting the rain they prayed for. 😛